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Should Ben TheRapist be called an elite QB?

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  1. thenepatsrule

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    i dont think so..........
    it is amazing how many sports shows are calling him elite and = Brady after todays win over the Jets
    the steelers did not have him for the first 4 games of the season and still won games, steelers are good coz of their defense NOT THERAPIST
    agreed?
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    Sure he is elite. He has 2 rings and makes plays in the clutch(see their last SB win). But no way is he near Brady's level.

    1- Brady
    2- Manning

    Everyone else
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    The guy is a major douchebag... but yeah... he is an elite NFL quarterback. No question about it.
















    ...and YES, it pains me much to admit it. :(
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    It's clear that you have a major bias against him based on the title and the little angry face alone. You're just a bitter little boy who may very well jump out of his bunkbed headfirst if Ben wins his 3rd SB.
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    I don't think you should be calling him a rapist given he wasn't convicted of anything. If you added alleged...

    It's quite poor taste to be honest.
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    He's not even a top 5 QB right now.
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    the steelers have had a top 5 defense every year for the last 20 years and never won anything untill they got big ben yes he is elite

    what i dont under stand is wey the pats fans think that if ben gets ring #3 it takes away from what Brady, did and is doing... i think a lot of fans here are obsessed with Peyton manning, big ben and every lil thing the jets do and say lol
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    I agree 100%

    Elite is all about perspective, If your a Pats fan, you may not be willing to label him as Elite. But if you were say a Panthers Fan, You would most certainly consider him elite.

    If Favre is Elite, then by all means Ben is as well. I would rather have Big Ben from day one then Favre.
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    how many elite qb's are we going to have in this league for crying out loud?

    let's just make everybody elite.
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    running around like a mindless ape may not be pretty but it gets the job done. I consider him elite but comparing QB's with completely different
    strengths is futile. Classic pocket passers, mobile scramblers, rushers, intelligent qb's, instinctual qb's.

    it'll often boil down to who has the highest level of poise and calm. the clutch factor. imo
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    Guess u are one of his bodyguards who was with him on that fateful night.........
    the angry face was at the media comparing him to TB u moron...... read everything before you start typing just to increase ur post count
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    How can you not give him credit? He made plays when he had to and has done so in his career in big games.

    For the longest time, we lauded Brady for making plays when he had to even when his stats didn't stack up to Mannings, but now, we criticize Ben for making critical plays but not having gaudy stats? His penchant for making critical first downs and keeping drives alive with his feet are amazing. If it wasn't for his playmaking ability with his feet tonight, the Jets surely would have beaten the Steelers.

    No other QB has won more big games than Ben for the past 5 years. You gotta give the guy his due.

    I hope the Pack wins the SB, but Ben is a proven performer.
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    He's elite but he's not in the top tier. He's just below the top tier QBs in the league. My reasoning being that he's the type of QB that can make crucial throws to win games but he's not the type of QB who can take his team on his back and score lots of touchdowns to win games on a consistent basis, like for instance what Rodgers did last week or what guys like Brady, Manning, Rivers, and Brees do on a consistent basis. You take away that defense and Roethlisberger has 0 rings.

    Top Tier QBs: (Doesn't really matter which order you rank them as they're all good enough to win super bowls and put up impressive stats):

    Brady, Rivers, Manning, Rodgers, Brees


    Second Tier QBs: (Roethlisberger is the top of this list.)
    Roethlisberger, Vick (based on his performance this season), Schaub, Romo, Eli Manning, etc.
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    agreed, it's just not as pretty as it's been said but just as effective. he looks like grape ape out there
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    He wouldn't have needed to make those crucial plays if the Steelers had managed to score some points on offense in the second half. Roethlisberger did nothing for the whole second half until that crucial third down pass. Why is he praised for making one play when he missed a dozen previous opportunities that a guy like Manning, Brady, Brees, Rivers, Rodgers, etc. would have capitalized on.
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    It's a team game, so why would winning make you an elite QB? If Ward wins 3 SBs is he an elite WR? What about Farrior? I could go on and on.

    It just doesn't make sense to group players when it comes to team statistics.
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    +1. Those 5 are elite.
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    As much as it pains me to admit it, Roethlisberger is going to go down as a great one because of his clutch ability. He has a very decent career QB rating too so I guess you have to call him elite.
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    Agreed. Roethlisberger is like Bradshaw; a 2nd tier type of QB who had a great team around him. You give Dan Marino the team that Roethlisberger has now when he was in his prime and you give Roethlisberger the Dolphins that Marino played on and I guarantee you Marino would have just as much if not more super bowls than Roethlisberger and Ben would have 0. Roethlisberger can't be considered the best QB playing currently in the NFL when he's not even the best QB from his draft class. Philip Rivers is superior to him; he's just stuck having Norv Turner as his coach.
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    He provides a respectable arm and is tough to take down, which means for the Steelers' system there could be no better QB. Pocket passers like Brady and Manning would get killed on that team due to lack of protection.

    In terms of QB measurables, I don't know if he would be classified as elite (1 4000 yard season), but when you have a QB on a run-first team, the real questions are (1) does he succeed and (2) could any QB in the NFL do it better on that particular team? The answer to (1) is yes, and (2) is likely no. Bradshaw is in the Hall of Fame, and frankly he didn't do much more than Ben to get that status.

    And I say all that begrudgingly because I am not a fan of the guy.
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