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Sheehan to protest at U.S. posts in Germany in March

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    RAMSTEIN, Germany — Cindy Sheehan, mother of a soldier killed in Iraq and the woman who protested the war last summer outside President Bush’s Texas ranch, is scheduled to bring her anti-war message to U.S. military installations in Germany next month.

    “[We’ve already heard] that Cindy Sheehan is like Hanoi Jane [Fonda] coming here,†said Elsa Rassbach, an event organizer with American Voices Abroad, which is supporting Sheehan’s trip.

    But, she said, “We’re here to just democratically talk about U.S. policy.â€

    http://stripes.com/article.asp?article=35252&section=104





    She may have picked the wrong place, there is 50,000 of us in the area. I think she is going to run into a huge roadblock by trying to protest here.


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    Sheehan will take the beating as long as she can get her face in the paper, she is a sick women. As far as being like Jane "Hanoi" Fonda Sheehan will never make it, Fonda was the biggest Traitor this country had seen in a long, long time. Fonda will make the history books with the word "Traitor" right beside her name (Kerry's pal).
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    Yeah. Even I'm sick of her now. I'm OK with her harassing Wrong for answers, but I think speaking engagements at military installations, especially abroad, is over the line.
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    I agree with you completely. I can justify to myself protesting the President et al in Washington, at their ranches, etc. Coming here is a huge force protection crisis. She is calling attention to areas that are all ready huge targets. I understand she is a grieving mother, and that she feels strongly for a cause. This is a mistake, and I hope it doesn't cost us a life to show how big a mistake it is.
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    Just for reference I work in Landstuhl, just outside of the hospital Kaserne and my wife works on Ramstein Air Base. So this is a catastrophe waiting to happen just outside my front door.
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    I believe that's the hospital my father-in-law worked at in the early 80s.
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    I don't think her son would want her doing this. (As a troop, I doubt he would feel supported by it.)
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    That be-yotch better keep in mind that the US constitution wont protect her ass in Germany. If she even tries to bring up her 1st amendment rights...they are just going to laugh at her.
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    Germany's got decent free speech protections (as long as she doesn't try denying the holocaust). She'll be fine from a legal perspective, but I think she needs to rethink her tactics and not just do something because she can (ironically, like our president). If she wants to talk about US policy as it relates to Germany, she should protest at civillian government buildings. The cause she's fighting for is right, but somehow I'm not sure I want her on my side.
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    Correct me if I am wrong--but I thought civillians were not allowed to hang around outside military bases--especially in foreign countries.
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    The place they went to protest is a half mile off base. They have to get permission to protest though. The may be in for a surprise though as Ramstein is a NATO base and as such is guarded by the Bundeswehr. They have a different rules of engagement than we do. Meaning we have to go through a series of events to use deadly force....the Bundeswehr asks but once then shoots.
    Just a note, the place she wants to protest is the area where there is a memorial for the people killed during the air show here when the C-5 Galaxy crashed.
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    I think we can all basically agree that Sheehan at this point is simply doing whatever she can to prolong her already expired 15 minutes and has become more of a liability to the Dems/Anti-Bush/Anti-War crowd.
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    Well, she's running for office, so she's a politican now.
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    On this, we agree.
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    Totally agree.
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    It will be interesting to see what Sheehan says. Part of her message should resonate with soldiers. If she comes off as anti-American, I think her protest will backfire, but if she talks about her own loss and the feelings that the price she and her son paid was too high for this particular war, I would think people would have a hard time being disrespectful to her. Let's face it, although soldiers seem to be more sympathetic to the war than the general public, it's clear from comments in this forum and elsewhere, it's not a black and white issue for anyone.
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    Most of her message to me has seemed anti-American and I'm not talking about the stuff that gets out of control on this board. She has more time than not said outlandish things to try and get attention for herself and her books. It has ceased long ago being about her loss.
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    I haven't read about anything she has said in awhile, but I do agree there was a period where she seemed like a rank amateur on the progressive circuit. I hope she has learned more. She's no longer just the mother of a soldier who gave his life, she's a representative of the progressive movement and is thus held to a much higher standard by everyone.
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    If she's a representative of the progressive movement, if there is one, then it is in deep shyte. She has done nothing to qualify for such status, IMO.
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    Isn't that funny, no matter how we stand on other issues, in this matter we stand united! If only we could all agree on anything else......
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    The minute she starts spouting off about the US being terrorists and both Iraq AND Afghanistan being illegal and/or about oil, she'll lose the whole lot of them.

    That should take all of 5 seconds.
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    If we were to think of buying the war in Iraq as buying say, a Big Mac, what this country is going through is about the same as ordering the Big Mac at the drive through, going up to the window and being hit with a bill for $421.00, and that's without the fries and coke.

    As of today the cost is about $2100 for every taxpayer; but as John Stewart put it best, "Don't think of it as two grand you don't have. Think of it as two-hundred grand your grandkids don't have."

    So if you guys are that bored with Cindy Shehan protesting over her dead child perhaps those figures will persuade you to cut her a bit of slack.
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    That all depends on the host nation. There were frequent protests (if you can call them that) in Japan when I was there. They usually amounted to 20 or so people with a few drums and bells - very organized and peacefull - for an hour or so then they would leave.
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    I'm not bored with her. I think she's a detriment to the anti-war movement, which IMO is separate from the "progressive movement" , the modern version of which I'm unfamiliar. There are many true conservatives who oppose this invasion and permanent occupation. She is counter productive to the best interest of that effort.

    The dollar cost will be insignificant compared to what we've lost as a nation of restraint, respect and maturity.
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    I'ts not about her dead child anymore it's about her, she thinks she's Greta Garbo, she loves the attention even when she is getting hauled off to jail, she is a disgrace to the memory of that dead child, her own family has disowned her and the Anti Americans just use her. It didn't take long for the Tub Of Sh!t Michale Moore to see what she was turning into and he dropped her like a hot coal.

    The women is deranged and has turned into a nasty publicity hound who dreams of becoming another "Queen of the America Haters" the far left "Screwball Liberal Professors" love her, her dead sons "Brothers" are embarresed for him, they turn their heads when they see her.
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    The fact that Sheehan evokes such hate and rancor from the right suggests she's fairly powerful. She may be powerful sort of like Rush Limbaugh is, but it's still a kind of power. The right-wing obsesses over her, and that's very entertaining.
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    The reality is politically, those of us on the right use her like the pawn she is to our adavantage. If you veiw that as her being powereful, its no wonder the left has consistently lost ground during the elections.
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    The left uses people like Limbaugh and Robertson as motivational tools and to embarrass the right, and the right uses Cindy that way. But, in general, those who attack Cindy are preaching to the already converted more so than those who attack Limbaugh and Robertson. The last I saw, Sheehan was supported or opposed by equal numbers (around 40%, I think), which, given Republican domination, suggests she's more of a positive than a negative.

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