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  1. DarrylStingley

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    I was stunned that they didn't use Shane Vereen more.

    There were a bunch of coaching decisions that bothered me but the decision to not make Vereen a point of emphasis in the offense really amazed me.

    Vereen was great against the Texans, he's more athletic than Woody and Gronk was out. The Pats needed to feature another threat along with Llloyd, Welker-Dropsy and Hernandez, and Shane should have been that guy.

    Were other folks screaming at the TV about this? Or at the field if they were there?
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    Because he's not as amazing as people thought he was.

    I was saying it over and over again last week. People kept thinking this guy was the next LT.

    He's just Danny Woodhead with less speed and more strength.
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    Really? He seems to have more speed than Woody to my eyes. He also showed himself to be a capable downfield receiver on the TD pass last week and several other passes.

    I dunno, I see a much bigger weapon than Danny, and I love Danny.

    Hell, I think he's more valuable lined up wide than Branch.
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    On one of his runs he missed a wide open hole up the middle. On another he dropped a catch able ball. It isn't like he made the most of the opportunities he did have.
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    Did you mix those 2 up? less speed and more strength than Woodhead?

    He should have been used more against this defense. Actually, he should have been used more all season, imo -- a speed threat would have helped in many games and situations.
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    Really? I have almost grown accustomed to players having big games and being dead silent the next. I wasn't surprised at all because it is such typical BB fashion. There have been numerous times over the years (LawFirm vs. Buffalo in 09 w/ 100 yard game, Mike Cloud in 2003 vs Tennessee, Daniel Graham in 2005 after his monster 04' year, to name a few) where BB has literally just abandoned what worked in the past weeks.

    Again, I think it goes back to the notion that he is trying to outsmart everyone and thinks that the opposing team will sell out to stop the player. Another reason for Vereen's performance last night would be because of Woodchuck (Shoutout to my main man, Thomas Menino ;) ) and because we were down in the 2nd half so we had to pass.
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    I would have loved to have seen Woody and Vereen out there at the same time with the Pats in the no huddle.
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    Look up their combine speeds. Woodheads measurements trounce Vereen in every department.

    Vereen was out there, he just dropped a ball and wasnt beating coverage.
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    Agree that BB tries to change things up.

    But at the same time, I think last night called for going to Shane as they needed another weapon.

    Those pointing out that he had a few bad plays are right but so what? Everyone does. If he had been a part of the game plan he would have had more chances to shine and gotten into more of a rhythm.
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    I said vereen could have been the LT2 for the offense.

    Woodhead on paper has 4.3 speed, but vereen has a bigger burst than he does. On top of that he can line up as a receiver and become a deep threat.

    The patriots decided not to include him in their scheme because he wasn't trusted enough until riddley got knocked out of the game.
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    You're right, Vereen looked real good in the passing game against Houston and will he occasionally break off a big run in the running game but I see Woodhead as the more effective runner, he has better vision and more shiftiness. I hope he's back.

    As far as the game plan yesterday, I have no idea what they were doing or trying to do.
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    Woodhead has a slow burst that prevents him from getting big plays for more that 20 yards.


    For all the damn speed woodhead has does anyone find it odd that he rarely gets big plays for more than 40 yards? Vereen has done that in less games.
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    He's done it a handful of times, two of which against Bart Scott and another against a Texans LB.

    Woodhead has had far, far more explosive plays than you give him credit for.
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    can everyone agree Woodhead is better than Vereen? If you can, can you agree that they both can't play at the same time? If so, there is your answer for why Vereen wasn't out there. BB has coached both these guys for 2 yrs, I'm sure he knows who is better - and I'm sure one outlier game (houston) isn't enough to shift the pendulum.
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    The patriots imo have too many running backs that makes the team look predictable.

    Woodhead is a less athletic version of vereen that can actually run the ball .
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    No. Not at all.

    I have trouble rationalizing Woodhead in there ahead of Vereen with any regularity.
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    WoodHEAD has VANISHED IN THE PLAYOFFS!!!


    DANNY WOODHEAD DOESN'T HAVE A TOUCHDOWN IN THE POSTSEASON!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Danny Woodhead Career Game Log - Pro-Football-Reference.com
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    They didn't adequately utilize EITHER one.
    And it's not like they were scoring big and wanted it to keep their offensive flow going. :rolleyes:
    When the stakes get big and the pressure increases the OC and the QB fall back into their bad "Greatest Show On Turf one dimensional predictable O" habits.
    This has GOT to change if this team is to win another championship.
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    Pretty sure he scored in the SB last year.

    That said, I'd rather have seen more Vereen early in the game but I think BB wanted to go with a ground and pound gameplan.
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    Woodhead was at the combine?

    and I'm not just talking about Vereen as a receiver.
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    this is a pretty stupid comment
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    Greatest show on turf? Doesn't that incinuate they threw downfield a lot? I felt like they did a bunch of short passes and runs up the middle like they always do in the playoffs. Of course when you have Deion Branch and Brandon Lloyd out there it's not like you can send them deep.
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    Oh, ....Woodhead in his 5/6 playoff games has scored one touchdown.
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    woodhead can't hold vereen's jock.......woodhead is a gimmick who is not capable of running the ball on running plays originating with the QB under center

    as for speed, I'd like you to explain to me why vereen can get outside and woodhead can't.

    demps is likely going to mean the end of woodhead anyway
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    Woodhead value is overrated by the patriots staff. The speed* woodhead has is called paper speed.

    Woodhead (unlike vereen) is incapable of taking the top of the defense and makes it too obvious on what the patriots are doing.

    Vereen to me is fault/riddley/ woodhead all into one player.
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    Shane Vereen has had one - ONE - breakout game and all of the sudden he's the next coming of Barry Sanders.

    Meanwhile the clutch, proven himself multiple times Danny Woodhead who has proven better speed and all around superior measurements is 'slow' with 'no burst'.

    When times are tough, there's always one guy lined up next to Brady in the shotgun. There's a good reason.
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    Are we watching the same players here? Vereen's one game is better than every playoff game woodhead has played in.

    Vereen is better more physical weapon than woodhead, but the patriots trust him more.

    How many times has woodhead came through in those rough times?
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    Only speaking for myself, I haven't proclaimed Vereen the next Sanders, the next Tomlinson or the next anybody. I just think he's a speed back who should have been used more this year and last night.

    I've also never claimed that Woodhead is slow or has no burst. I did question your claims re. their relative speed and strength, as I think you've got them reversed. Vereen looks faster to me, but I've never seen him gut out yards after being hit as I've seen Woodhead do.

    (re Woodhead, I love the guy. He can do a lot of things and I disagree with the notion that he's a "gimmick" back.)
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    Well, there was that one run where he looked like Laurence Maroney.
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    Woodhead runs a 4.38.
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