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  1. VJCPatriot

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    I say yes. This is probably outside of anybody's radar but he could be a remarkable improvement to special teams and 'dear god anybody but Hanson' has escaped fans lips not more than once last season, no?

    Shane Lechler Stats, News, Photos - Oakland Raiders - ESPN

    What Lechler offers - a strong leg, long hangtime on punts, and the ability to actually pin teams within the 20. He's a field position machine that can save you yards even when your offense fizzles and goes 3 and out. Don't think BB values that? Look at how much he emphasizes good ST play. Just a thought. The other alternative is to draft a punter in round 4-5 but Lechler is a proven ST weapon.
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    Dante is strong. He's got huge legs. Let's pick up Dante and CONVERT him to punter ! Millen strikes again.

    I'm not sure Hanson is really as bad as some on the board say... is he really our most pressing upgrade ?
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    Punter is not most pressing but it definitely can be upgraded upon. Reducing the number of shanks and increasing the yardage that the opposing team has to move the ball before they can score can only help out the defense.
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    Didn't Hanson win ST player of the week this season ? Not saying by a long shot that he's the greatest american hero - but wasn't Lechler so-so at best in the game against the Pats in bad weather ? (A game doesn't make a season, just playing devil's advocate).
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    Let me break down the numbers for you that will go beyond the less than meaningfull player of the week award scenario.

    Overall punt yardage
    #1 Lechler 4,391
    #27 Hanson 2,143

    Please note that there are only 32 teams in the NFL and therefore only 32 starting punters. Therefore in total yards Hanson was among the 5 WORST punters in the NFL.

    Net punt average
    #1 Lechler 41.2
    #24 Hanson 36.4

    I refuse to rank Cassel's 1 total punt for the season in the net punting yards metric.

    In the 20 (IE coffin corners)
    #3 Lechler 33
    #20 Hanson 19

    In every meaningful Punting statistic, Lechler is the #1 punter or a top 3 punter in the NFL. Meanwhile Hanson is a bottom third punter in those same statistics. Looking at overall stats for the 2008 season it is clear that Lechler is one of the premier punters in the league and Hanson is not even average, he's consistently in the bottom third.

    Punter stats courtesy of NFL.com:
    NFL Stats: by Player Category
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    That's not the stat you want to look at unless you list attempts or in the 20 %.
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    This part was the best. I didn't realize there was so much disparity. To be fair, Oakland gives their kickers WAAAY more opportunities. But I wonder if he's going to command the tag like the falcon's kicker.
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    If you can find more situationally specific stats you're welcome to list them here and add to the mounting body of evidence against Hanson.
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    The thing is that the Raiders can franchise either Asomugha or Lechler. I don't think they can franchise both. And since franchising Asomugha is a no-brainer, that means that Lechler should be an unrestricted free agent.
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    I'm happy his total yards is low if it were high we would have a terribad offense (see Oakland for example). That ends that theory :)
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    Shane Lechler #9 P
    2008 IN20% 36.7%

    Chris Hanson #6 P
    2008 IN20% 38.8%

    Right on the ESPN stat page, anyway I don't see signing this guy as a big priority I would rather see some training camp/preseason punter battles see if Hanson can step it up.
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    Hanson also punts in horrible weather. Its alot harder then punting in warm california. I do think Lec is better but the difference isnt nearly as big as the #'s suggest.
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    Hanson step it up? He's been in the league for 8 years now. He IS what he IS right now. He's reached his ceiling. He's not going to mystically improve in next year's camp just because he's wearing a Patriots uniform. It's still a fact that Hanson is in the BOTTOM THIRD of NFL punters in the main stats that matter. Giving him another year is not going to change that.
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    I'm all for it. Hanson ranks very low in net yardage and when you have a defense like ours (overall stout but tend to give up the yards) having one of the top P's in the league can change games PERIOD. If Cassel is traded I wouldn't mind spending an additional $1M if that's what it takes to upgrade from a lower ranking P to an elite, that change is worth the $$.
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    You realize if we became really terrible, his stats would improve a lot, right?
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    The fans must get real psyched everytime they get to punt from their own 25.:D
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    Wow - just a thought : can you imagine how many other fans WISH they had this problem to discuss ?!%?

    We are actually breaking down the punting ! Half the teams don't even have a QB they can trust !
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    I would think Lechler can't wait to get out of Oakland. Not only are they an awful franchise, but he was reportedly punched in the face by their defensive tackle Sands on a team flight. Sands is a big guy, something like 6-6 350. Sands wasn't disciplined over the incident and maybe that will seal Lechler's fate in Oakland.
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    You should also consider that our offense moves the ball better than most offenses in the NFL. Lechler probably had a lot more attempts than Hanson did. With that said, I'm not a big fan of Hanson either. While punter is not the most pressing offseason need, it can certainly be upgraded. I wouldn't mind seeing Shane Lechler rock a Flying Elvis on his helmet next year.
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    in a year where we appear to be strapped for salary cap space, upgrading at the punter position may be a luxury we cannot afford.
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    I think anyone would like to see him end up here but punter is not nearly as big a priority as other positions (currently), he will most likely end up on a team like the redskins, and considering the current cap situation its not a likely option he will end up here. If I remember correctly we will bring in some cheap/er FA or UDFA punters into training camp to compete with Hanson that's about it. I would gladly welcome him here if we do sign him and would like to see him compete with other punters on the roster in TC.

    If you think those stats are the most important for a punter your a clearly mistaken and need to do some research. Here I will break it down for you.

    Overall punt yards - this stat depends on the amount of attempts which Hanson did not have many (which most fans would be happy about because the offense is moving the ball and scoring). This stat is also dependent on where the ball is punted on the field.

    Net punt average - This stat is important more when the punter is kicking from his side of the 50 it is also dependent on if he is punting shorter to pin it within the 20 yard line. This is one of the better statistics.

    In the 20 (IE coffin corners) - This stat is clearly dependent on field position and attempts. Like I previously mentioned in the 20(%) is a much better statistic. Also this stat is affected by players not stopping the ball from rolling into the end zone.

    *Edit not trying to argue with you just show you somethings :)
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    Lechler is pretty universally thought of as top-5, and Hanson is well Hanson.

    BUT you can't say Lechler is ooooooooo this much better o my gosh because he had more punting yardage. Gee, what team do you think punted more last year, us or Oakland?

    Also, he's punting from further back than Hanson is, allowing him to just boom kicks. Hanson doesn't have that many opportunities to see if he can kick 75 yards.
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    Look again at the stats VJC posted

    "Net punt average
    #1 Lechler 41.2
    #24 Hanson 36.4"

    Net average has nothing to do with who punts more. And you say he's always punting from further back yet he trouces Hanson in "Inside the 20" punts as well 33-19 despite the 2 having around the same amount of TB's (13-10). Lechler is by far and away better.
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    something that might help for comparisons is how do other punters who are i nthe same type of conditions as hanson go? i am not saying he is good or bad but how do new york e.t.c punters go
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    the only punter I'd rather have over lechler is sciphres (sp?). I'd love to upgrade the punter as it is a very important and overlooked position. That said I wouldn't want to sacrifce a solid starter but for the $$ I don't think that is an issue.
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    Stupid thread. BB doesn't like punters with a cannon for a leg. He even dislikes them more than o-lineman who can run block in-line and linebackers who can cover TE's. You know this!!!
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    Bingo. I have no problem upgrading the punter position, whether through FA or the draft. Hanson is serviceable but no more. Lechler would undoubtedly be an upgrade, regardless of how his yardage numbers may reflect poor field position. But spending on a FA punter is a luxury we may not be able to afford. I'm personally more enamored of some of the draft options, such as Kevin Huber from Cincinnati, in the 4th-6th rounds.
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    Absolutely, if he isn't at a crazy price.

    He is top 5 punters in the league. Easy. I think 1 or 2 actually (Scifres is really good too).
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    If this stat is correct PatsChamp, then I'm with you all the way on this one. This is the most important stat for punters, even better than net avg! You can have a high net average if you punt from your side of the field all the time (i.e.Raiders), but if you are punting from about midfield or so and trying to pin them deep, your net avg. won't be as high.

    Also, for those saying that Lechler had way more punts inside the 20 so he's better, that is misleading because he had more attempts. This stat shows % of your punts that ended up being inside the 20 and Hanson is better in that category.

    Anyway, I will agree that Lechler has a stronger leg, but Hanson has better placement (not by much). Scrifres on the other hand, is the best overall punter in the NFL in my book.
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