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    Didn't see this posted....


    http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=cr-sinners100406&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
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    "And you can bet his loss will loom large when key plays are needed for a Super Bowl run, too."

    Just reading that arrogant statement, I am reminded of the blessing's of God's love and his forgiveness of sin. Alleluia.
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    Just what we need, more posthumous posturing about the Branch saga. It's a dead issue.

    For all the junk in the papers about the Patriots 'lowballing' they offered just about the same money that Branch ended up taking from Seattle.

    There was a personal vendetta against the ORG by Branch that has been well documented. The only reason he didn't take this supposed 'low ball' offer is because the Patriots wouldn't grant him an out from his current contract, they had written it as an extension to the existing deal without throwing out his final year of his rookie contract. This was a STARTING POINT THAT BRANCH NEVER COUNTERED.

    The simple fact is that the Patriots, in order to keep Branch, would have had to not only over pay for the player, but would have also had to allow a player under a 5 year contract to renig on his deal after 4 years. This double whammy is a comprimise that the Patriots should not have given into, and they did not. Short term it will look like a debacle, longterm this was the absolute best possible outcome that the Patriots could have come to.

    They couldn't have gotten Deion back regardless, because of his Vendetta over the 5th year. So instead of letting him go out empty handed, they got a first round pick for him, only trading him when they got exactly what they deemed was value enough to unload him.

    This over spun story of our cap room and the apparent mis-management by the Patriots brass is silly and overblown.

    I can't say that I'm surprised by how bad the article is though, after all it is from Yahoo sports.
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    my god DB was NOT jerry rice. He was NOT cris carter. He was a good player that will be replaced soon.
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    Gotta wonder why all the 'experts' aren't working for NFL teams sometimes. There it is, laid out in black and white. How could the Pats screw up so badly?!

    Let this writer join Felger and others that seem to think that, since the cap space is available, feel free to overspend! Where's the harm?

    Are they truly that stupid? For some reason they can foresee the potential problems caused by the Pats actions (guys leaving without even bothering to entertain offers from the Pats, free agents avoiding Foxboro, etc, all certainly possible, certainly with a certain type of player or agent), but fail to do the same from the other side, and completely disregard the ramifications down the road if they had capitulated to Branch and his agent. What player in their right mind would accept anything but a premium to re-sign with the Pats, knowing they'd beat any offer, whether or not the player was top 10 or top 20 at their position or not?
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    AMEN!!!

    Well said Box_O_Rocks.....well said.

    Jay
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    ...and that's why Charles Robinson has always been worthless to me.
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    Probably because it's an old issue that no one here cares about anymore.
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    Just imagine the reception you'd have gotten with this post if we'd LOST to the Bengals. :D
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    Show some charity, it's not like his club has anyone better then Charlie Batch. :cool:
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    are those seven sins deadly?

    IMHO twig wnted to make the big score, get as much money as he possibly could, not leave a penny on the table. thst's his right, but it was obvious from day one, heck, of his rookie contract, that there was no intent to pay him market price, ever. as i recall he signed for lless that his 'slot' usually got.
    One could also argue that neither Brady nor Seymour re-signed at market price, but rather accepted the MINIMUM amount that was appropriate for their status. the same is ctrue for bruschi. IMHO the only players being paid market rate are light and colvin.
    BB/SP wanted the same from the twig.
    instead of simply doing what they could, in the player's best interest, twig's agents screwed up the whole situation. THEY caused the bad blood. so DB signs with seattle for a deal that's only about $2m more than what patriots offered.
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    Charles Robinson makes John Clayton seem manly.

    I can honestly say that I have never seen Robinson write anything that wasn't either horribly misguided or nothing more than a rehash of what every other writer has been saying for weeks.

    He is abso-smurfly the most useless football writer on the planet. And I am not using hyperbole.
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    Unfortunately, this article is pretty worthless since it totally ignores the fact that Branch was offered 2 different contracts and never bothered to send in a counter. All Branch did was give the Patriots an ultimatum. Guarantee that they wouldn't Franchise him or he'd hold out. Its hilarious that they tried to spin it so that all the blame falls on the Patriots and NONE of it on Branch.

    The Patriots attempted to negoiate in good faith with Branch. Branch didn't feel the need to negotiate at all.
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    There is no excuse for you.

    All you did was attempt to troll by posting a clearly BS article.
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    Re: are those seven sins deadly?

    Sorry, IlDuce, but you've got some things wrong. 1) Branch signed for what his slot was supposed to be. 2) Seymour signed for the market value at the time he was negotiating his contract. 3) The Patriots were treating Branch the exact same way they were treating Seymour and Brady in that they were requiring him to finish his rookie contract. If you review Miguel's site, you will see that both Seymour and Brady were paid according to the last year of their rookie deals. Yes, they received the signing bonus of their new deal, but they still were under the salary of their old deals.

    Your use of Bruschi to try and prove your point is pretty ludicrous. The fact is that Bruschi went into management and told them he only wanted the 2 million a year. How can you fault management for that?
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    Not really. Robinson was much more critical of the Steelers than he was of the Pats. I thought he entire article was a bit silly but, hey, it's Friday and I thought Rodney could use it in his weekly disrepect diatribe.
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    So we have a wiseass troll that wants to try to stir up trouble with some stupid article about some guy that plays for the Seahawks. Then when he is called on it, he does a lame Steve Martin imitation.

    Why don't you go back to your sh#tsburg site and whine about your own team.
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    And people once called *me* a troll!!

    These media people (those at yahoo or where ever) have _WAY_ freaking too much time on their hands to writing sludge like this. How about the "sin" of greed on Branch's part?? But, no, it's always the "heartless team owners" who are the problem, never players (emboldened by their vampire agents) who are the problem.

    Get a life, media people! You run your team the way you want, and the Patriots will run their team their way. We'll see who's standing in the end.

    :wha:
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    Guess you guys missed the post i had three weeks ago linking to a glowing report on Maroney but keep up the petty defensiveness.
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    I personally don't give a crap what you post about. Nothing 'defensive', just not interested at all in what you have to say.
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    I's shinin' as fastest as'n I kan massah, don't be moanin' bought spit on youse laces if'n youse keeps takin' out youse team miseries on me.

    Since this abomination links back to the whiny days of summer, here's a note for all you folks that need no excuse to attack a Patriots' player, but like one anyway:
    Yep, Patrick is now protesting the loss of Christian Fauria! :D (Now how much am I bid for a lovely skeeter ranch backing up on the scenic county landfill?)

    Thanks to Shalise's eagle eye http://www.beloblog.com/ProJo_Blogs/PatsBlog/archives/2006/10/locker_room_loo_2.html
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    I think the article is kind of funny. Warns us that cutting DB will have dire effects on the superbowl run and uses the cutting of Milloy as an example. Yeah, that really hurt our SB chances.

    Anyway, IIRC correctly, the reason that Milloy was cut so close to the season is that the Pats were negotiating right up to the end and thought they would have a deal in place. Only when it fell apart at the very last minute did they cut him.

    But that's in the past. Let's move on and not worry about a guy who is jealous because his team got whipped by the Bengals.
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    1) bruschi is ludicrous? certainly patriots didn't negotiate him down to that figure, but are you sure that he went in and OFFERED to play for that? do you think patriots don't hold him and his salary up as an example to try and get other players to play for less than market price?
    i 'm losing my own point here, so i'm not sure what our disagreement is, exactly.
    2) are brady and seymour playing for less money than they could get elsewhere?
    3) how is last year's contract salary + next year's bonus different than a new salary?
    4) i shoulda known better than to say what twig's salary vs slot figure was without looking it up. this board is too sharp for that. mea culpa.

    anyway, good ta hear from ya bruinz. sometime i wonder if anybody reads my posts.
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    Where have you been? YES, Bruschi went in and told them how much he'd play for. Its well documented. Not sure why you think otherwise.

    As I said, Seymour signed for what the going market rate was at the time.

    I don't know if I would say that Brady signed for below market because he is being paid in the top 5 for QBs and was for when he signed his deal. We all THINK it was below market, but the reality could be something different.

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    I'm trying to figure out how the Patriots were guilty of "wrath" and haven't been able to. Exactly what did the Patriots do that shows "wrath"? They expected Branch, a player under contract, to come to camp and play. They expected Branch and his agent to negotiate in good faith. Neither of those things happened and so the Patriots are guilty of "wrath"?

    Exactly what "wrathful" statements did the Patriots make?

    They offered Branch the opportunity to find another team to play for and consumated a deal with that team that benefited Branch. And they're guilty of "wrath" - or as the writer says, "vengence"? Most everyone agrees that Branch got what he wanted and, in that sense, won. So the Patriots gave Branch what he wanted and that is vengence? I just don't get it. Oh, that's right, they are trying to collect the fines and possibly a pro-rated part of the signing bonus. That must be it.
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    Ah, Grasshopper, you must understand that in these days of "gettin' mine" the one who argues for moderation, equalization and balance for the sake of a unified team is "evil".

    Anyway, read Orwell again and you'll understand.

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