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    Al-Anbar has been, and is, one of the most unfriendly and violent provinces for US forces in IRaq. If you've followed the war as closely as I have, you'd be extremely impressed by the article below. This is why the surge includes 4,000 additional troops for Al-Anbar.

    Sunni sheiks join fight vs. insurgency

    By TODD PITMAN, Associated Press Writer
    Sun Mar 25, 3:39 PM ET

    RAMADI, Iraq - Not long ago it would have been unthinkable: a Sunni sheik allying himself publicly with American forces in a xenophobic city at the epicenter of Iraq's Sunni insurgency.

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    The American commander responsible for Ramadi, Col. John W. Charlton, said the newly friendly sheiks, combined with an aggressive counterinsurgency strategy and the presence of thousands of new Sunni police on the streets, have helped cut attacks in the city by half in recent months.

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    Al-Rishawi, whose father and three brothers were killed by al-Qaida assassins, said insurgents were "killing innocent people, anyone suspected of opposing them. They brought us nothing but destruction and we finally said, enough is enough."

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    But violence in some districts of Ramadi previously hit by daily street battles has dwindled to a degree so low that American soldiers can walk on the streets in some areas and hand out soccer balls without provoking a firefight — apparently a direct result of the sheik's influence.

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    Al-Rishawi and other sheiks urged their tribesmen to join the police force, and 4,500 Sunnis heeded the call in Ramadi alone — a remarkable feat in a city that had almost no police a year ago.


    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070325/ap_on_re_mi_ea/fighting_back_in_anbar
     
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    They don't want to hear that, they want "bad news"
     
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    This is of course good news. But, the fact is, if we weren't there, they would have never opposed us in the first place. As long as we stay, we remain the rallying cry and the recruitment vehicle for the terrorists.
     
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    Do you have a clue? Did you read the article? Hello? Hello? :rolleyes:
     
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    Yes, I did. Did you? The article says that Al Qaeda was telling people that the we are the enemy, but Sheik Al-Rishawi convinced them that we are not. That's good news. But, the fact remains, if we were not there, then Al Qaeda would not be nearly as successful at convincing people that America was the enemy. The fact that we are the enemy in whole regions seems to be the point that you are missing. As long as we are there, we give cause to anti-American sentiment.
     
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    So are you implying that if we fold up tent and leave that Al-qeada will too, and that the people there will like us because Al-qeada, in leaving too, will not be there to tell the people how bad we are?
     
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    No, this is what I am saying and have been saying: Any Arab enemy of the United States (and there are many) can use the fact that we are in Iraq to their advantage. Al Qaeda has certainly done so. Once we leave, those who shout "Death to America" will have a harder time getting new recruits, and the more moderate groups will be able to prevail.
     
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    Why they were having an easy time before Iraq, matter of fact they were having an easy time recruiting before 9-11. Remember the stories of the tens of thousands who went through Al Queda training camps n Afghanistan
     
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    I agree with you that the war in Iraq is a recruiting tool for radicals across the globe. Afghanistan was the same thing. However, to say that if we leave, the moderates will prevail is flat wrong. We're the only reason the moderates there have a chance, and are making progress. Remember, peaceful people do not prevail in such societies, only the violent radicals do. Peaceful people need support and protection.
     
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    Do you believe that anti-American sentiment, which breeds terrorism, is on the decline?
     
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    Real World, the moderates outnumber the terrorists by a huge number, or elswe we wouldn't have an iota of a chance. What the future holds is the same under any scenario: Whoever the moderates are, they are not going to be to our liking. At the very least, they will be anti-Israel, have great relations with Iran, and blame America for many of their problems. They may have a better government than existed under Saddam, but in 25 years I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see a charismatic, anti-American leader like Saddam elected again and again.
     
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    HUH? EXACTLY! So what happens if we leave? The terrorists will destroy the moderates that are there. You know, the ones that we've supported through free elections, and through the establishment of a democratic government. It only takes a handful of terrorists to control a large group of peaceful people. The man with a family who wants peace will succumb to terror if it saves his family. Evil doers don't care about death as those who want peace do. It's why our support is critical.
     
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    IMO it has changed one way or the other. The Islamist hated us before they hate us now. But with a guy like Bush in office they will think long and hard about attacking us directly.

    When (if) a dem is elected in 2008 the terrorist will be back in the business in attacking the US without fear of reprisal.
     
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    I wouldn't say that. I think Iraq has made recruitment easier. I think that's just common sense. I think the attacks of 9/11 alone increased their ability to recruit, as did the war in Afghanistan. Why wouldn't they? When savage primitives saw the towers go down, it empowered them to the cause. When we subsequently destroyed the Taliban government (a justified no brainer of a war), it pushed even more. Iraq would, and has, had the same effect. That tends to happen when wars are waged. It's like asking if the attacks of 9/11 would spurn americans to join the fight against terrorists. Of course it did. Military recruitment spiked right afterward. This shouldn't be news to sensible people. Remember, the Iraq strategy of geopolitical changei n the ME was/is a long term strategy. It was no coincidence that Blair and Bush were on TV talking about poverty, oppression, and freedom after 9/11. They determined that altering the social, and political structure of the middle east was the best way fight terrorism long term.
     
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    NOBODY knows what will happen if we leave Iraq, but playing the odds....

    this administartion has been 100% WRONG about every prediction they've made, why should we believe them when they predict what will happen when our troops leave?
     
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    So far, we haven't intimidated them.
     
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    George Bush...Our Hero!:rofl:
    How'd that work out for another tough guy, Ronald Reagan. He sure had tough policies and acted tough (emphasis on "acted"), and they bombed the Marine barracks in Beirut.

    What are we gonna do when Bush is out of office, or do you want to give him another term? How the hell do you know that there will be no terrorist attack tomorrow? How hard do you think it was to pull off that WTC attack? Was that some kind of high tech genius plan?

    When are we supposed to bring the troops home? Do you want them to stay there forever? Are you an Imperialist?
     
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    Because most military people feel that leaving would be a mistake. I'm not as concerned with what GW & Co say, as much as I am with what the people on the ground do. The next 8-12 months are the most critical in Iraq to date.
     

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