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  1. shmessy

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    #75 Jersey

    "Ideology cannot be a substitute for a determination to think for yourself, for a willingness to study an issue objectively, and for the fortitude to sometimes disagree with your party or even your constituents," he said."

    Lugar's parting words: Part defense, part warning - CNN.com

    The Inquisition nabs another.
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    There's like 2,000 loose Russian nukes that don't exist right now because of him. The Republican party has become an embarrassing joke.
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    Don't forget about the people that vote these guys in. They're and embarrassing joke too. No matter how crazy and irresponsible these new cons act people who vote still fall for what they sell. They deserve the government they get, except that they might drag the rest of us down with them.
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    I think you guys are funny. Here's a guy who's 80, and has served what, 6 terms over 40 years or so? It's long been time for him to go. He's another Ted Kennedy lifer who is a prime time example of why term limits should be mandatory.
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    Elder statesman replaced by tea party boob. Hooray, politics.
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    Sure, and its merely a coincidence that you pubbies have replaced him with a guy who thinks the other side capitulating is what compromise is all about. Anyway, thanks for the seat. Between this, Elizabeth Warren and Olympia Snow y'all can forget about taking the Senate.
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    Lugar voted consistently for larger government, the voters are coming around to wanting smaller government Lugar, time to go. Hope O Hatch is booted also in the Utah primary.
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    Agree. The Tea Party guy will lose, though. Unintended consequences on the part of Utahianites. Lugar was a good Senator, IMO, but his time is up...was a long time ago.
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    He did? Examples, please.

    Lugar had a 77 percent lifetime score from the ACU.
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    Can never understand people's misconception of power in our legislature, mindful of Joe Miller in Alaska, that people vote out a powerful incumbent with ties to everyone who is of importance, and try to replace him with a very unpowerful contrarian.. for what purpose???

    They put this seat at risk, and could make the balance different.

    Do think Lugar's time has come, but this guy is just another guy who will do nothing except gum up the works of the House..
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    The example is the other 23%
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    I thought we all agreed, left and right, that we needed term limits. So... wasn't it time for him to go?

    And this guy didn't even have a residence in the state he represented. That in and of itself is a disassociation the voters can't abide.
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    Term Limits are badly needed to help keep these Politician Pigs in line both Dem & Repub.

    Uncle Teddy thought he owned America.
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    You people are comical. Absolutely comical. I don't even know the name of the person who beat him. All I know is it's the treasuruer (i think), and a male. I learned that yesterday in passing. I have no clue if the dude is a loon, legit, or a single position he holds. I've never seen a picture of him. I just think it's a good thing when a lifer gets tossed. Look at where we are today. These lifers need to go. I've long believed in term limits, and when a 40 year lifer gets ousted, I'm generally pleased. Thank you for your service, and enjoy the real world.

    Politics should not be a life long career. Worse is when a single seat becomes a career job. We constantly complain about business as usual in DC, how corrupt the system is, or how useless the people in office are. Yet, when a dinosaur who's served 40 years, and is 80 gets tossed, you frauds come in here and say "wow, there goes a good one" or "those people are bat **** crazy". Says the people who voted in Ted Kennedy and Rep Brothel for decades on end. :rofl:
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    I have no problem with term limits, and I have no problem with veteran pols getting displaced.

    I don't see it as a positive when said replacement is markedly diminished from the prior seat holder. That's really all there is to it.

    And if you want to see dysfunctional government, vote for people like Mike Lee and Richard Mourdock.
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    As a quick example he took over 150K in farm subsidies, even though he really lived in the metro DC area.

    He voted for the bailouts for the bankers and UAW.
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    Here are the longest serving members currently in office. I hope they all get tossed. No one should be in congress, or the senate, for 30, 40, and even 50 years! NO ONE!!!!

    List of members of the United States Congress by longevity of service - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    John Dingell (H) 56 years, 149 days


    Daniel Inouye (H,S) 52 years, 263 days


    John Conyers (H) 47 years, 128 days


    Charles B. Rangel (H) 41 years, 128 days


    Bill Young (H) 41 years, 128 days



    Thad Cochran (H,S) 39 years, 128 days


    Pete Stark (H) 39 years, 128 days


    Don Young (H) 39 years, 65 days



    Patrick Leahy (S) 37 years, 128 days



    Max Baucus (H,S) 37 years, 128 days



    Chuck Grassley (H,S) 37 years, 128 days


    Tom Harkin (H,S) 37 years, 128 days


    George Miller (H) 37 years, 128 days


    Henry Waxman (H) 37 years, 128 days



    Orrin Hatch (R-UT) Jan 3, 1977 to present 35 years, 3 months, 21 days


    Richard Lugar (R-IN) Jan 3, 1977 to present 35 years, 3 months, 21 days
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    Don't know if that is correct Indiana is a relative conservative and this guy has won 2 elections with over 60% of the vote in 2010 for State Treasurer.


    from his campaign website:

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    If you have a veteran, the replacement will always be "diminished" -- that's just a foolish expectation. Did you argue for Bledsoe to come back and play in the Super Bowl?
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    Right, cuz government has been so functional over the years. :rofl:


    Look at this list. Look at how long these people have served. It's time for many of them to go imo.

    List of current United States Senators by age - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    There are 21 senators who's been in their seat for 20+ years, and another handfull who are close to it. If we had a limit of 3 terms, which is 18 years, all these clowns would have to go. I think that would be a good thing from a general perspective.
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    My only opinion of Lugar is this (and I know nothing about his personal stance on issues).

    1. Term Limits are a great thing, and should be enacted on. The idea you can make a lucrative, life long career out of a "public service" occupation is ludacris.

    2. I think we all lose when senators/reps get bounced who show willingness to work across the aisle.

    Losing someone who is a consensus builder and having their replacement basically say "any work with the others will require them to come to me" isnt good for anyone of us who are tired of the same ole politics coming out of DC.

    It was time for Mr. Lugar to move on....I just wish his replacement seemed more inclined to work with the other side.
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    Well we can hope, Mormon's tend to vote for the GOP at least 70-80% of the time, Jesus Christ could come downa be a Dem and they wouldn't vote for him.

    Hatch has been in as long as he's been in because he' Mormon and he's a part of the GOP, the people running against him are just more of them same.

    Hatch will get re-elected....:bricks:
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    Ever heard of Bob Bennett?
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    Bledsoe was a football player and no one elected him...
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    Didn't your famous swiss citizen, Bachman, receive farm subsidies, and when she was flava of the week that was minimized by some mumbo jumbo yaketty yak...

    The other votes are probably due to some type of reconciliation, so you got this guy Mourdock running now and and his sole purpose it so be a Democratic Contrarian..

    Political processes and decisions are usually the result of compromise, so this guy comes in an filibusters and nothing gets done and congress polls lower than the current 14%... great news.

    Term limits should be a consideration, but sometimes experience can be a good thing.. not sure that we should just get rid of folks because they have been there for a while. The respective political parties might want to take a role in telling folks they have been in too long, otoh with longevity comes power...
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    :confused:

    I don't think you and I have the same definition of diminished in this application.
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    I feel the same way about doctors. 26-46 and that's it. That's 20 years aka 3 Senate terms plus 2 years. I don't care if they're good at it, I don't care if they work fantastic with the rest of the hospital staff. I don't care if people continue to live because of them. I feel perfectly safe having a clueless ahole replacing the one I only thought I was happy with. Well, to be totally honest, I actually would prefer you getting the clueless ahole while I find some sleazy excuse to exempt my doctor. Its just better to have constant turnover for some strange reason that I can't explain right now.


    Out, out out!

    'Cause we all know people are just like milk, eventually they all spoil. Just in the case of people the spoil point is arbitrary and not supported by even a shred of even one fact.

    Hey, here's an idea, lets clean out the Supreme court and start fresh. Clarence Thomas has been there since like 1990, Scalia even longer. Why not dump them?
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    While I don't disagree, whether or not they should go is to some degree contingent on whom they're replaced by.
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    There are 2 Tea Party candidates running in Utah this year, Liljenquist against Hatch and Mia Love running for congress.
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    So??? Polls indicate that Hatch is considered safe, not much on Mia Love...

    Not sure what extremists hope to accomplish, they do not understand the constitution nor do they understand reconciiliation and negotiation that takes place in congress... all they are doing now is just gumming up things to a point where congress is completely stagnated and bogged down in nothingness...

    Pretty soon they will be polling less than 10%....

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