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  1. DaBruinz

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    I was reading through the Franchise Tag information in the CBA because of the talk of Mario Williams potentially becoming a free agent due to the Texans lack of cap space. And I found that the equation for the franchise tag has changed and is more complex than before.


    And here is the Appendix E example:
    http://www.thenetrat.com/cba-2011-2020.pdf
    I believe that this is designed to roll back the franchise tag numbers a bit, but it's definitely a major difference that really didn't get talked about previously. And it will have a direct effect on the negotiations with Wes Welker..

    I wonder if Miguel has the franchise tag numbers from the previous years somewhere in his files..
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    I don't know if that necessary reduces it. It sounds like they are calculating the % of the cap the franchise tag for that position took up historically and using that to normalize it.
    Therefore, the tag number will now increase proportionately to the cap, rather than current contracts.
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    It's a bit weird: the numerators are based on current contracts; the denominators are based on the salary cap.
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    It has reduced them. Tag for WR's was over $11M last season. This year it is projected by the new method to be $9.4M. There were multiple articles written on the subject months ago. It also helps the Saints because the tag for QB's is just $14.5M, and it was $14.2m three years ago when Cassel was tagged and almost $16M in 2011.

    Good article from Andrew Brandt with some more guesstimated figures.

    Tougher Game of Tag | National Football Post
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    That sounds right to me.

    For example, if the average of the top-5 salaries of quarterbacks corresponded to 25% of the total cap number in the last 5 years (i.e. "franchise" numbers increased exactly proportionately to the cap) and the cap for the upcoming year goes up 10%, then the franchise number for quarterbacks will go up 10% to keep it at 25% of the cap.

    Which doesn't *reduce* franchise numbers so much as smooth them out when there is an anomalous year.
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    All I read was Mario Williams. What is his franchise tag number and will the Texans let him walk? (Their defense was damn impressive without their best player).

    Potential Houston front seven:

    Williams - Cody - Watt
    Barwin - Cushing - Ryans - Reed

    Holy sh1t.
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    Here are all the projected guesstimated numbers from NFL.com. Williams will get 120% of his 2011 tag if he is re-tagged.

    Franchise-tag values for 2012

    Figures for next season by position and players who could be impacted

    Quarterback: $14.4 million (down from $16.1 million in 2011, $16.4 million in 2010); Drew Brees

    Running back: $7.7 million (down from $9.6 million in 2011, $8.2 million in 2010); Matt Forte, Ray Rice

    Wide receiver: $9.4 million (down from 11.4 million in 2011, $9.5 million in 2010); DeSean Jackson, Vincent Jackson*, Steve Johnson, Wes Welker

    Tight end: $5.4 million (down from $7.3 million in 2011, $5.9 million in 2010); Fred Davis, Jermichael Finley

    Offensive line: $9.4 million (down from $10.1 million in 2011, $10.7 million in 2010); Ben Grubbs, Carl Nicks

    Defensive end: $10.6 million (down from $13 million in 2011, $12.4 million in 2010); Jason Jones, Mario Williams*

    Defensive tackle: $7.9 million (down from $12.5 million in 2011; it was $7 million in 2010); Paul Soliai*

    Linebacker: $8.8 million (down from $10.1 million in 2011, $9.7 million in 2010); Stephen Tulloch

    Cornerback: $10.6 million (down from $13.5 million in 2011; tag was $9.6 million in 2010); Cortland Finnegan, Brent Grimes

    Safety: $6.2 million (down from $8.8 million in 2011, $6.5 million in 2010); LaRon Landry

    * - Player who'd receive more money because it'd be his second year in a row on the franchise tag, meaning he'd make 120 percent of his 2011 salary
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    Barwin or Reed would sit in the 34 for Williams, he's not a 34 DE. But, like you said, they lost him very early in the season and had a top tier defense without him, Barwin made him expendable. No reason to pay top dollar for him when you don't even know if he can play in the 34, he never had a chance to prove it this year.
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    I think we can all agree that Planet Hoosten has a tremendous young Defense, plenty of Depth at Flanker ~ OutSide LineBacker, to you Earthlings ~ and has MUCH better things to do with their Cap Dollars than to waste them on Mario Williams...Cut the bum LOOSE, I say!! :D
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    Mario Williams cap number for 2011 was 15.1 million. At 120%, it would be 18.12 Million. Or an additional 3.02 million more than this year. Which is pretty expensive.
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    For a guy coming off a lost season who hasn't played in their new defense? When they're tight against the cap? Hard to see them doing that.

    Though if they did, that would give them a 3-4 of:

    J.J. Watt / Shaun Cody / Mario Williams

    Connor Barwin / Brian Cushing / DeMeco Ryans / Brooks Reed


    Wow. Just...wow.
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    They've had Williams playing OLB in their 3-4, not DE..
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    It's worse than that. It was $18M in 2011 and would be $22.9M in 2012. McNair has already said that is a no go, although they will talk to his agent about trying to work out a long term deal.

    Scout.com: Article....Texan owner says no franchise tag for Mario Williams
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    True, I was jumping to conclusions about what I'd do in their place. But I suspect Williams will be moving on, especially since they have to address Schaub's contract too (he's entering the last year of his deal).
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