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Seems to me that if we don't play press coverage, we may lose.

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  1. jacksonfan

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    Seems like we haven't been able to play press coverage against Indy since the days of Ty Law, and that
    if we can't do that on Sunday, we may lose again. Please cheer me up. If we can't play press coverage
    and throw off their timing, why else will we win on Sunday?
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    I would like to see a little more aggressive play by the CB with a safety to help each. However it's fully reasonable to play a lot softer and have safeties help out to double cover, one in front, one in back, of each WR and make Manning throw a perfect pass for every completion. A 5th Safety could take care of Clark and the remaining Front Six could slow down Addai.

    I would love to see Chad Scott and Mickens on the line with Wayne and Harrison respectively. With Samuel and Hobbs playing off ten yards back. After the bump, Scott and Mickens could cover in front of the WR with Samuel and Hobbs behind the WR. Front and back double coverage that could make every throw tough. It would present a little more challenge against Clark (Hawkins would have him one on one) and Addai but I'd prefer small ball to have to beat us.
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    By stopping the running game with our front 7, keeping the safeties deep, flooding the short zones and making Manning lob rainbows over the top. We pick a few of those and we'll have a good chance.
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    Are you really a Jackson fan? Why? Anyway to answer your question, because we are going to run the ball down their throats all game long and if they try to stop it with Sanders, Watson/Thomas/Graham will become factors.
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    Do you know the difference between offense and defense?
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    How would that work with basic Xs & Os? 4CB, 2SF, 4LB, 3 DL= 13 players. Unless you are dropping the FS (You put Hawkins at SS) and a LB? I can't see how you would pull off that formation.
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    The Pats played press in the 2nd half of the November game and had much better results. I'm firmly in the camp that the pros of press coverage against the Colts (hit those contact-shy receivers, throw off Manning's timing and get him to show his happy feet) outweigh the cons (slightly better odds that the corners could get beat deep).

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    Chris
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    Fine, 13 players. I like that.

    I referenced this in another thread earlier in the week, I'd try to play a base Nickel with TBC and Sanders gone - but would come in situationally. Basically the Front Six would have to take the running game and RB out of the backfield, that's 6, I'd have two CB on each WR, that's 10 and Hawkins on Clark (or Sanders instead of Hawkins if you prefer) that's 11. There's not too much unaccounted for, basically Utech, but the LB can take care of him when they see it's not a pass.
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    That would be pretty interesting. It may be confusing to Manning as well if it is used situationally. It might be kind of cool to take the lineup you suggest and line up in a standard 3-4 putting one of the cb at lb and safety, then move back into your formation.
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    I think that they should definitely play bump coverage and keep the safties deep. We should play nickel that would leave a DB on Clark; I would say Mickens would be suited for that job. I think our front can handle the run ok.
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    Meaning the Pats are going to score at will against that sad Indy D and playing press would give them too many opportunities to have big (30+yds)
    plays. Keep everything in front of them and make Indy grind out long TD drives, something I don't think they can do. Our clock eating O will be our best defense. No need for press coverage, we don't have the talent for it.
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    chad scott will be the nickle back, has the size.
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    Actually the success BBs defenses have had against Manning was predicated on zone defense.
    While we may jam receivers at the line, its not press coverage, but a zone that often has corners, nickels, dimes, playing underneath zones, and safeties playing over the top.
    The difference being in press coverage you are jamming the receiver then playing man, where BB s most effective schemes have been zone coverage that can include a jam, then dorpoff into zone.
    Most of the coverages that 'confused' Manning and created picks were where a DB in an underneth zone (that Manning wasn't expecting) undercut the route.
    Its very different to expose a corner to a jam then man coverage than to ask him to jam before dropping off into an underneath zone.

    Technically it's an offshoot of a cover2. In a cover 2 you have 2 deep safeties, with the MLB covering the deep 1/3rd, while the LBs and corner cover the underneath quarters (or 3rds if you send 4 rushers) but in this scheme (in this example from a nickel base) you have 3 deep safeties and one corner with LBs and a corner and nickel playing underneath. The underneath DBs are playing the outside 1/4 or 1/5th of the field, and when the read there is no short outlet, they get depth to disrupt and undercut the deeper throw, or in some cases are pretty much doubling in the deep 1/3rd.
    Manning sees 3 deep coverage, expect the rest of the defenders to drop to the 8-10 yard curl zone, and attachs it like a cover 2,where the softest spot is 12-18 yards downfield at the sideline, but what really happens is you end up with over/under coverage on that route in that area by 2 DBs.

    We won't and I dont remember us ever playing very much bump and run, or press coverage against the Colts.

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