See Ya Later Monty Beisel...

[b72s]

Originally I was chalking up underperformance to lack of experience in system and giving credence to the length Bruschi took to break in as well a TBC.

But given lack of production and declining playing time especially last nite. I think Monty's days are numbered with a hang on until Bruschi and C.Brown are healthy.

Given our cap space I was hoping we would take a run at some big time LB like Donnie Edwards maybe throw in Branch

 

[JoeSixPat]

Well said.

But to your comment "But - save for lack of depth at LB - there's just no way he should make this team" I say: Yeah, but isn't there a lack of depth at LB?

Yes there certainly is - so if Biesel is cut that says a lot doesn't it?

And that doesn't even mean that Biesel couldn't be good on another team - it may be he just really isn't smart enough to learn the system.

But if I'm making the call between "bad" depth and keeping a quality player at another position - its bye bye Biesel

 

[DaBruinz]

Believe it or not, Monty Beisel still has a good chance to make this roster. A Ster is not a waste of a roster spot. Guss Scott and Tebucky Jones seem headed for IR or the Shadow Roster, unless Tebucky just had a cramp. We've already lost Mitchell to IR and Pass to the PUP list. Clearly, bb thinks we needed a lot of help on ST's; maybe you disagree. bb likes vets on ST's, although Andrews has certainly earned a spot.

Beisel played almost the entire 2nd half (just caught it on the NFL Replay) and he seemed to be very solid. Don't know where people are getting that he was downgraded to just being a STer.

 

[Ichiro]

Beisel played almost the entire 2nd half (just caught it on the NFL Replay) and he seemed to be very solid. Don't know where people are getting that he was downgraded to just being a STer.

I saw the replay just now also. Watched Beisel almost exclusively. He did OK, but there wasn't much there. On a couple of run plays he was solid. But one of his major problems was his movement in space as an ILB. In coverage he struggled to move north and south. If you remember this was a huge problem last year (as well as reading blocks, tackling, angles etc) which seems just as poor now. Several times I noticed when he moved forward, he literally stumbled before he was able to backpedal into coverage. Just very slow.
I think Beisel could be a servicable backup pass-rusher/special teamer but he has shown nothing as an ILB.

 

[Ring 6]

I dont know why, but Ive always found that players who are not starters, outside of young guys still developing fall into 3 categories:

1) Overrated because they used to be more than they are now
2) Overrated because fans like them better than coaches do
3) Underrated because fans want them to be superstars and coaches want them to play a role

Beisel, IMO, will be one of this years versions of a guy who BB sees value in and keeps on the team, and fans dont see value in a rip BB for keeping. Then Beisel will do exactly what BB expected of him, BB will be happy, and fans will continue to clamor he sucks and BB was stupid to keep him.

 

[Ichiro]

Then Beisel will do exactly what BB expected of him, BB will be happy, and fans will continue to clamor he sucks and BB was stupid to keep him.

yeah, I think you're right. Somehow, I think Beisel will make the team and BB will find a role for him.
My problem from Beisel comes from him mouthing off last year. After the poor game in Denver, Beisel makes a comment to the press and throws Duane Starks under the bus. Now, Duane Starks sucks, but where does Monty get off saying that? Did Monty remember the horrible angles and reads he made in that game?
Later, when asked about his play Beisel tells reporters to "look at the film".
Are you kidding Monty? Shouldn't Beisel be self-critical of his play?
The last straw for me was when he went off on Stacey James in the locker room, calling himself a "p.r. guy". This guy was not a team leader but felt the need to yell at the press and a member of the Patriots staff. Amazing
Not a Patriots-type player that we have won with before. Just my opinion and probably why many fans dislike him.

 

[Slagathor]

I saw the replay just now also. Watched Beisel almost exclusively. He did OK, but there wasn't much there. On a couple of run plays he was solid. But one of his major problems was his movement in space as an ILB. In coverage he struggled to move north and south. If you remember this was a huge problem last year (as well as reading blocks, tackling, angles etc) which seems just as poor now. Several times I noticed when he moved forward, he literally stumbled before he was able to backpedal into coverage. Just very slow.
I think Beisel could be a servicable backup pass-rusher/special teamer but he has shown nothing as an ILB.

If he played most of the second half and against 2nd and 3rd string I might add, how does he as a LB not register one tackle. Not even an assist.

Seau, whos' been with the team for 2 weeks and playing his first game had a highlight athletic tackle and was around the ball quite a bit.

Beisel is not worth keeping. His issues are not correctable.

 

[mcsully]

I dont know why, but Ive always found that players who are not starters, outside of young guys still developing fall into 3 categories:

1) Overrated because they used to be more than they are now
2) Overrated because fans like them better than coaches do
3) Underrated because fans want them to be superstars and coaches want them to play a role

Beisel, IMO, will be one of this years versions of a guy who BB sees value in and keeps on the team, and fans dont see value in a rip BB for keeping. Then Beisel will do exactly what BB expected of him, BB will be happy, and fans will continue to clamor he sucks and BB was stupid to keep him.

I'll be the first to say I don't see anything from him ( I guess my expectations were higher, FUTURE ILB for this team) but that being said you are absolutely right.. BB will find a way to use him and get him to contribute.. Great point..

 

[DaBruinz]

If he played most of the second half and against 2nd and 3rd string I might add, how does he as a LB not register one tackle. Not even an assist.

Seau, whos' been with the team for 2 weeks and playing his first game had a highlight athletic tackle and was around the ball quite a bit.

Beisel is not worth keeping. His issues are not correctable.

1st off, Did you actually WATCH the game. Beisel was around the plays, but the plays also seemed to be going to the other side of the field from where he was.

You act like when the ball was snapped, Beisel ran to the endzone and did nothing to stay out of the play. Thats BS.

There weren't any RUNNING plays to speak of by the RedSkins in the 2nd half. Most of them were PASSING plays. There were 3 or 4 to TEs, of which, I think only ONE was Beisel's man.

 

[dbabbitt]

Perhaps what's most telling is that Beisel didn't play with special teams until the second half either.

 

[Slagathor]

1st off, Did you actually WATCH the game. Beisel was around the plays, but the plays also seemed to be going to the other side of the field from where he was.

You act like when the ball was snapped, Beisel ran to the endzone and did nothing to stay out of the play. Thats BS.

There weren't any RUNNING plays to speak of by the RedSkins in the 2nd half. Most of them were PASSING plays. There were 3 or 4 to TEs, of which, I think only ONE was Beisel's man.

Yes I did watch the game and my eyes weren't clouded by MAN-LOVE for Beisel.

Other than having his number on the field and running around near the line of scrimmage doesn't mean your productive.

Pierre Woods for example looked a lot more active and aggressive in plays than Beisel could ever hope to be.

There's a big reason why Beisel has been relegated to mop up duty in Pre-season and anyone actually watching can see it's because he brings nothing to the field physically, mentally and emotionally.

Let me add that most decent defensive players can identify when a play is away from their responsibilty and take action to get into the active play.

 

[Zuma]

Beisel will be a standout in Special Ed...I mean Special Teams.

 

[All_Around_Brown]

Been saying this for months..

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/showthread.php?t=39094&page=14

Even tried to bet people with 3200+ posts that this guy was a bum..

After last nights game, Only way he stays is for Special Teams..

Just what we need...another LB Special Teamer who can't stop a run or cover a pass in this defense.

Izzo and Davis and Beisel hooray!! Two of these three must GO, IMO.

 

[mgteich]

How many years have you been calling for Izzo or Davis to go? The reality is that Izzo and Davis are starters on the ST's and much more valuable than most posters understand. Beisel may or not make it. If he doesn't, it will because he isn't valuable enough on Special Teams.

We;ve already lost Mitchell. Jones and Guss Scott are injured and likely to be cut or put on IR. bb will likely allow Seely to have some influence over the last few picks.

Just what we need...another LB Special Teamer who can't stop a run or cover a pass in this defense.

Izzo and Davis and Beisel hooray!! Two of these three must GO, IMO.

 

[Zuma]

The reality is that Izzo and Davis are starters on the ST's and much more valuable than most posters understand.

The reality is that ST's has not been top notch for awhile. Who are the starters?

 

[PATSNUTme]

The reality is that ST's has not been top notch for awhile. Who are the starters?

Was that photo from last night? It had to be, when was the last time we played the Skinis, 2003? And, Moss wasn't with them then.

 

[Zuma]

Was that photo from last night?

From last night...

 

[All_Around_Brown]

How many years have you been calling for Izzo or Davis to go? The reality is that Izzo and Davis are starters on the ST's and much more valuable than most posters understand. Beisel may or not make it. If he doesn't, it will because he isn't valuable enough on Special Teams.

We;ve already lost Mitchell. Jones and Guss Scott are injured and likely to be cut or put on IR. bb will likely allow Seely to have some influence over the last few picks.

By my count... two for Davis, but this is the first for Izzo. I have both of them as approaching redundancy. I recognize their value, except that their value is limited for lack of versatility (as in a liability in LB depth).

My point was simply that we have enough ST specialists in his mold...why do we covet another Izzo, Davis, Klecko when we have the youth movement in full swing (e.g. Alexander, etc) that bring much to the table on ST with more upside?

Maybe you put more stock into these role players than I do. Regardless, Beisel isn't here to be a role player.