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  1. mgteich

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    Three players weren't playing very well as defensive backs: Gay, Wilson and Sanders. The question was the wuality of outr backups. We found out today. Props to Chad Scott, Hawkins and Poteat.

    I want Hobbs back as a healthy starter. However, I'm content with having Wilson as a backup. Sanders may never see the field except in garbage time.
    We again have depth!!! Seriously, Poteat has replaced Gay, and Hawkins and Chad Scott have demonstrated that we have a deep secondary.

    We now have the following depth chart
    CB: Samuel,Hobbs,Scott,Poteat
    S: Harrison,Hawkins,Wilson
    S/ST: Andrews,Sanders,Spann

    We do indeed have serious depth, with six starting quality defensive backs.
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    We have bodies but not a lot of impact players. They played well today but I'm not exactly wow'ed by their consistency or take away potential.

    There are a lot of question marks back there.
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    I don't think Wilson will be supplanted as a starter.
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    Hobbs is going to be the Patriots' best CB by the end of the next season if not this one. Despite continual wet dreams fans have about size at CB the league has a lot more 5'10" quality CBs than 6'4" ones.

    Moreoever Hobbs is more physical and a better tackler than Samuel so I don't know where you're coming from with this.
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    I suspect that you are correct. Personally, I would start Hawkins.

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    No offense but sometimes I think you see things in your head that just haven't happened. Like when you said CJ made that jump ball catch over 3 guys against NYJ. There was only one defender. And that the Pats small CB's were continually getting beat on 3rd downl slants(after the NYJ game). I counted one after watching again yesterday. You blame McDaniels for his play calling and want him canned, but you have absolutely no idea if he's the one making the calls.

    Anyway, I thought the secondary did a great job, but alot of it had to do with the good constant pass rush. There were a couple of plays though where there was no pass rush and Palmer still had no place to go.

    I also think that Hobbs makes our secondary better, but Wilson is just too inconsistent.
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    IWe understand that your opinion is that Hobbs sux. Obviously, you think that bb is a lousy judge of defensive backs. However, he makes the decisions, and be believes that Hobbs has a future as a starter. Also, contrary to popular opinion, pioli knew how tall Hobbs was BEFORE we drafted him to be a future starter. In any case, we should find out what we have. If necessary, Scott can start in the playoffs. The bottom line is that if the decision is close, Hobbs should start and get the experience.

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    I don't think all fans feel this way - its just a vocal minority that believes a 5'10" CB cannot be effective.

    Most fans realize that 6'2" guys with CB skills aren't CBs - they're WRs.
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    hobbs has been our best corner this year tard. reason he shut down lee evans and lined up on their best WR all game
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    To be honest I don't know who should play. I don't know if it was a perfectly executed scheme by the players and coaches? Or if Hawkins is just a better player than Wilson etc Hobb's,Gay etc?

    All I know is we won the game and played a real good game all around. Much better than I anticipated. Hopefully the team will build off of this and make the appropriate moves like they have over the last 5 years. I'm not losing any sleep over it and neither should anybody else but the coaches and players. That's what they are paid to do. All I expect is a satellite controller and a cold beer to be in my hand every Sunday. And of course a couple of Mondays.
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    Every game brings its own situations. Hobbs may get the start against some
    teams ... Scott may get the call for other teams.

    I suggested Hobbs and Wilson sitting might be a blessing in disguise and it
    turned out that way. I thought Scott is more physical than Hobbs and that is
    what was needed today.
    When PATs play smaller quick WRs .... Hobbs is probably the better call.

    It seemed that new kid Spann was active on the field also today.
    He brings a 6' presence also ... anyone see how well he did?
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    You are jumping to far too many conclusions. Wilson was the only positive defensive player that emerged from the loss to Denver. He had a bad game vs the Jets but against Denver he was signifigantly better. There is no way I am going to bench Wilson. Thats freaking foolish. Hawkins is a really good player but benching Wilson is so random.
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    I know I'm going to get it for saying this, but I haven't been impressed with Rodney's return. Maybe the injury isn't fully healed or what. I don't heal that he plays very confident, is slower, and doesn't hit as hard. I would very much like to be wrong about this because I love Rodney's play and I think he makes everyone better. What are everyone else's thoughts on his play? Maybe you guys can help me refill my koolaid on him.
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    IMHO, Wilson hasn't looked consistently good since his rookie season.

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    The mystery to me is why no-one ever keeps Poteat. He always plays respectably for us, he should be with someone as their last DB. I'm glad he was out there for us when we needed him.

    Scott and Hawkins do make out depth good but the secondary will likely be a hot topic around here in mid April.
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    Look, if today's corp of DB was the best option, don't you think BB would have started the season with this group? What we saw today was a make-shift corp aided by schemes to compensate for the corp's weaknesses. Not to take anything away from their performance because under the conditions, they performed admirably. However, the novalty's worn off and I'd much rather not see Troy play the slot back any time soon and increase the risk an injury. He'll be needed throughout the course of the year as a WR.
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    Honest question because I can't remember. Wasn't Wilson one of the guys that whiffed on the tackle on that long Walker TD?
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    true, but for the most part he comes up big when the going gets tough (playoffs, games like denver last week.) the Jets game was not that great due to poor tackling, but really if you take away that freak cotchery td taht he was partially responsible for then I think people would have been less upset with his performance, as it was a real motivation-shifter within the game.

    - and no JayChamp, Wilson was out of the game during that play - sanders was subbed in for him.
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    Yep you're right. Forgot I still had it on Tivo :)

    Asante and Sanders :(
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    Dare We Ask It?

    This thread has begun to dance address the delicate question:

    Are we better with Hawkins out there at safety than with Wilson? We need more data than 1 game's worth.
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    I agree the secondary looked good.. but it's one game. Certainly we are not about to go with the players that look best that week. If that was the case, Brady would have been benched because he didn't look too hot last week. There's a reason why Hobbs is the starter because he is clearly the better CB, and same with Wilson, etc.
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    No, I wouldn't say this for you're introducing different circumstances for the sake of the argument. We're talking about the DBs. As such, a corp of Asante, Gay, Geno, Hawkins, Hobbes, Rodney, Sanders, Scott and Tebucky (prior to IR) are all players the coaching staff knows well for they've all been with the team at least a whole season and have played in meaningful games with the team.
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    I also would like to see Hawkins in the game more. He impresses me far more than Wilson from everything I've seen of him from last year and this game. He's typically a SOLID tackler (i.e. he doesn't bounce OFF of guys like Samuel and Wilson), he never seems to be out of position and he just appears to know what he's doing/what the offense is trying to do far more than Wilson. I wouldn't mind seeing him start, if not for Wilson, then maybe for Harrison. I haven't been able to get a good grasp on Harrison's play this year. He doesn't seem to be involved in any positive impact plays but he also doesn't seem to be playing terribly for the most part. Today he did miss a chance for a tackle two times that I noticed. I'm not particularly sold on the secondary as they still seem to believe that their only purpose in the game is to tackle the receiver AFTER he has caught the ball instead of trying to prevent completions. However, I just feel more confident with Hawkins on the field....Wilson never seems to have a clue about what's happening on the field and always appears slow to react. What was his wonderlic score?
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    There was a new coverage implimented in that game (I'm quoting from the Reiss blog) designed specifically to stop the high powered passing attack of the Bengals. What makes you think Hobbs would not have done a good job in this new coverage? It had never been used, so you have no basis for your assumption. You have a personal vendetta against Hobbs for whatever reason and it's sickening.

    I questioned you TWICE before the game to step up and say WHO you thought was our best cover man (being that you don't think Hobbs is it), and you sissed out.

    Now, after this great Bengals performance by the D you have even more fodder for your anti-Hobbs campaign, but I question you thusly: If you really believed there was a better cover player BEFORE the Bengals game, then why did you not once respond to the repeated questions about it.

    It'll be easy for you to come up with an answer now, and for the moment you'll appear to be right because of the great effort and a new coverage, but the simple fact is that you were not man enough to lay yourself on the line BEFORE you had proof.

    As always you work in hindsight.
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    He'll return to the starting lineup as soon as he's healthy, and remain there until he gets hurt again. One new coverage and you're proclaiming him dethroned and try to justify your inane rantings. Please be prepared to stuff a sock in your own mouth when you are proved wrong on this statement.
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    I lied what I saw yesterday out of the secondary, with one exception. Rodney!
    He did not play well at all.
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    We shall see. Just like you weren't about the running gameplan against Cincy? :)

    And why, sir, do you keep ignoring my posts about our best cover man if it is not Hobbs? There is one in this very same thread, right above the post that you commented on.

    Will you not address that post as well?

    EDIT: No response again, I can't say that I'm surpised.

    Me: "Hobbs is our best corner, and best cover man."

    You: "Hobbs is not our best cover man, he's too short for slants and crossing patterns, he's not a starter, he's a nickleback."

    Me: "If Hobbs is not our best cover man, then WHO is? You can't just throw out a starter without having a better player to replace him!"

    You: *crickets chirping*

    Me: "And you're the one claiming to be right??? Then back it up!!"

    You: *crickets chirping*

    Me: "Alrighty then, I hope I never hit senility."
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    bump for NEM
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    Stop deflecting and ANSWER THE DAMN QUESTION.

    I've already addressed the fact that you'd use the Bengals game as a way to deflect the question, and already debunked it as an after-the-fact one game instance where a new coverage was used that you have no clue how Hobbs would have done in.

    And yet you still use that method even though I'd already said you'd do as much.

    How unoriginal of you.

    WHO IS OUR BEST COVERAGE CORNER? JUST MAN UP AND ANSWER THE QUESTION!
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    Stop deflecting once again. You're distorting facts as usual, and you can't get away with it. You said that we should not run, because it did not work for the Steelers. You said we should use the hurry-up and pass like crazy. I made no predictions, just after the fact observations of your inane crockery.

    What happened was that we ran like crazy and SET UP THE PASS WITH THE RUN. Which is EXACTLY what the Steelers tried to do, albiet unsuccessfully.

    So explain to me exactly HOW you were correct, when you called for us NOT TO RUN, and to PASS LIKE CRAZY. We used the run to set up our passing game. Had we not run like crazy, that game would have looked just like Denver in the passing game.

    Go ahead and spin spin spin. This is exactly why none of your posts ever get any credit, because you never man up and own it when you are obviously and blatantly wrong.

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