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Sebastian Vollmer on the first FG

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  1. Sciz

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    As you can see there and probably noticed during the game, Vollmer was out wide to the left on the first field goal, and he sort of ran some kind of route. It was 4th and 13, so they definitely weren't passing to him. Are they setting up for a fake sometime later, or is Belichick just screwing with us?
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    Could have been checking to see if he went uncovered ala Adam V. to Troy Brown resulting in the Martz embarrassed penguin face.
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    Maybe it's to take one guy out from the FG block. Do they have confidence in Mesko or Gostkowski can throw the ball and Vollmer can catch it if they were to fake the kick?
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    I was just thinking about that play but why use Vollmer?
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    That's another thing. I was under the impression that Solder was the receiving tackle on the team, as ridiculous as that sounds.
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    Injury sub for Gronk? Vollmer was a TE when he started at Houston, right?
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    this thread just proves how crappy tv commentators are. They didn't say anything about this. How could the spotter working for Sims miss this?
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    i actually did NOT notice this...

    a reason Vollmer is used is b/c if a D player sees him go towards sideline he will automatically assume he was going out, no need to worry about it as a catcher....i think BB didnt have any intention of throwing him the ball (unless left wide open i guess) but was testing out defenses reaction
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    Wouldn't he have to report as an eligible receiver?

    Or is there a different rule for (fake)FGs?
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    Probably to see if the defense reacts and if not call a fake next time if need be.
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    This. Smart move trying to catch the Texans off guard.
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    Vollmer's proximity to the field creates a parallel connection between Mesko and the ball simulating a smoother contact surface for Gostowski. Now Belichick is going to have to do it for the rest of the playoffs.
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    They did spot this. Jim Nantz mentioned that he saw him out there and thought that the pats had ideas on a bit of "trickery".
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    1) Texans don't see him (somehow) and Mesko throws him a pass for a 1st down

    2) Texans see him late, panic and waste a timeout

    3) Texans cover him and Pats kick a FG

    Don't see the downside. Likely hoping for option #2 which is why you have to spring this formation out of nowhere and you can only do it once.
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    cool story, bro...one thing though...Mesko is NOT the kicker, Gost is...small , rather minute point..but valid nonetheless
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    Solder did run a route the play before welker dropped the pass in the endzone in first dolphins game. It was a run fake and he was wide open but Thomas couldn't pick up the safety he was supposed to pick up. Ridley stayed in to block. Hernandez, Hooman, Fells were all covered and he had just turned his head to the left to check for Solder's route when he got sacked.
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    The ball is snapped to Mesko though
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    Yep, but Mesko is the holder. If you want a direct snap to Gostkowski, you need to have communication on the fly to Aiken and hope he gets the signal or the whole play is screwed (and the last thing you want is a ST f-up at that point).

    Let Mesko throw the pass and only he has to make a decision on the play. Everyone but Mesko and Vollmer just execute a FG. Also makes sense to put the receiver on the left side since that is the way Mesko is facing on the hold. I think the Rams recently did a fake with their holder when Amendola was left uncovered on a FG.
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    4th and short, say 1 or two yards...if it's been practiced...how DOES the DB defend a quick pitch to Vollmer and stop him for no gain?...that formation means something, BB just doesn't la dee da formations for no reason
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    Unless I'm too mistaken, the last Patriots fake FG was a Vinatieri pass.

    I've also seen holders jump up and throw passes.

    Note that the kicker actually has a better pre-snap view of the field than the holder, so he should be the one making any decisions.
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    Ultimately, I agree with Metaphors and think that it was a little trickery by BB. You hope for outcome 1 (unlikely) or option 2 (much more likely) and worst come to worst, you get 3, which doesn't hurt anything.
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    We snuck Mallet out with the fg team in the reg season finale and they saw him and called the timeout. So there are a few wrinkles BB is working on should the situation occur. Just perhaps don't have Chung call for the direct snap this time...
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