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  1. Rob0729

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    Ok, never been a fan of Charles Robinson of Yahoo Sports, but his prediction for the rest of the way for the AFC is downright bizzare:


    Crystal ball breakdown of the second half - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

    What makes it really bizzare for me is that he has the Pats winning the next two games (in their "expert" picks section he has the Pats winning against the Bills this weekend and says in this that the Pats will beat the Jets next week in the Jets description) which would put the Pats at 7-3 for the season. Then he expects the Pats to go 2-3 the rest of the way with losses to Seattle, Arizona, and Buffalo and either a win against Miami or Pittsburgh (which by his rankings are the two toughest games on the schedule). Nevermind that he has the Jets and Dolphins fighting it out for the division with the Pats and Bills out of it.

    I know Robinson has long been a Patriots hater (he predicted the Pats wouldn't even make the playoffs before last season). But his logic is just way out there. Why does he think the Jets have looked anymore impressive than the Pats when they struggled against KC, Oakland (a loss), and Cincy?
    Predictions are BS anyway. So I don't get too upset, but I just thought this one was noteworthy because it is pretty out there in my mind.
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    could happen miamis schedule is a big creme puff,jets are playing well, bills are sliding, the pats arent going to win a lot of games with that pass defense, lack of rush, no running game and no vertical passing game
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    actually to get to 9-7, we'd need to go 2-4 down the stretch after being at 7-3.

    but they have the jets, who are 5-3 right now, losing twice on the road and going 5-1 in their other games? lol this scenario is not likely at all, imo.
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    Jets have been playing like crap until the Buffalo game. Two weeks ago, the Chiefs had a 24-21 lead with a little over a minute left in the game. The Cheif!!!! That's spectacular football when you almost lose to the Chiefs after a week you LOSE to that powerhouse called the Oakland Raiders.

    I know you are one of the Mr. Negatives to the point of stupidity, but you can't really believe that.

    Funny, with no running game, the Pats got 140 yards rushing against the Colts who had improved their run defense immensly after their first three games. The Pats are improving every week and they won 5 of 8. So exactly how have the Pats not won many games so far?
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    To call this scenario bizarre is kinda of bizarre itself.

    Sure going into the season no one would of predicted this happening, but at this point of the season it certainly would not be bizarre.
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    Sorry about my math.

    I agree with you about the Jets. They are the same team that struggled against three of the worst teams in the league in a three week stretch going 2-1 which was almost 1-2 baring a last minute TD.
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    mark my words cassell will come down to earth, other teams will take away the 3 to 5 yard passes, when that happens hell be forced to go down field, he hasnt proven he can do that other than a couple of hail marys to moss
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    What, the Pats never won ugly, The KC game was ugly, but good teams find a way to win and the final drive for the winning score by the Jets was encouraging from a get it done when you need to type of team.

    Edit: the loss in Oakland, I am still not over.
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    You are correct. The Pats would have to finish 2-4 and that would include a loss to the Raiders, which I really don't see happening.
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    Seriously, what team do you root for? You clearly are not a Pats fan.

    The Pats proved in 2001 that they can dink and dunk all the way to the Super Bowl. Cassel isn't Brady, but Brady wasn't Brady of the last five years in 2001. Also, the Pats will get back Jordan and Morris which will take pressure off the passing game and allow Cassel to throw deeper.

    I'm sure when you are proven wrong in a few weeks, you will biatch about something else. You complainers always do.
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    The Pats have won ugly, but they haven't almost lost to a team as bad as the Chiefs who were lead by Tyler Thigpen who the Jets allowed to complete 69.4% of his passes for 280 yards and 2 TDs and no INTs. That guy sucks. Also, the Pats haven't had a three game stretch where they struggled against three of the worst teams in the league in a long, long time.

    I was just countering that the Jets are playing well. The Jets have as many or more flaws than the Patriots. They struggle against the pass as much as the Pats, they can't run the ball effectively and consistently, Favre turns over the ball far too much, etc. That is not playing well at least when you compare them to the Pats.
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    That Denver win wasn't impressive??? :confused:
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    There's a pretty consistent group of people making the complaints week after week. It doesn't change much when the team is winning, either, because they find individual issues to complain about. Even when they are proven wrong, they just lie in the weeds and bring up the same disproved arguments time and again.
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    Yeah, if Robinson's prediction is that in a week from now that the Pats are 7-3, I cannot see the Pats going worse than 3-3 down the stretch. They don't have the easiest schedule, but it definitely isn't the hardest.

    I actually think the Pats win against the Cards if nothing else that it is an East Coast game at 1 PM in December. The Cards are not a great road team and have shown they struggle quite a bit with the time zone difference of the East Coast.

    I think the Seahawks will have packed it in by the time the Pats meet them with a lame duck HC. The thing the Hawks have going for them is that it is in their stadium (but will the crowd be a factor with how bad they are).

    I also think they beat at least Oakland. So if Robinson is right about 7-3, that is 10-6 right there. I still think this team can go 11-5 or 12-4.
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    Some people are never happy unless the Pats are undefeated and winning by three TDs. Even then there are still the lunatic fringe who complain.

    I see improvements on both sides of the ball week after week on this team. Not that there aren't things that need to be improved, but the Pats seem to getting stronger as the season goes along. While other teams are peaking or have already peaked. That means the Pats have a really good shot at playing their best football in December and hopefully January. I am still cautiously optimistic.
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    10-6 is the best possible scenario for the Pats. I think 9-7 is more realistic. Home to Pitt, @ Buffalo, @ MIA, home to ARIZ, and home to NYJ are all extremely tough matchups given the health status of our team


    This is what I envision happening over the next 3 weeks.

    Pats win over Buffalo comfortably by 7 pts. No need for beta blockers or defibrillators this weekend. Nice afternoon game to just chill.

    Pats win a cardiac game against Broadway Brett

    Pats are outclassed in Miami 27-10

    The Miami loss won't matter, I expect the Fins to win this division. The key is to win this tiebreaker advantage with the Jets because if the Pats finish 9-7 and so do NYJ, Pats are in and Jets are out. Of course thanks to Jabar, we have Indy lurking so we need to keep an eye on them in the second half.
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    Several of the dirty dozen are currently lying in the weeds posting less. Just wait until Cassel actually has his bad game of the season throwing 3 picks and we lose. Expect LOTS of sudden posts. I blame the fantasy Football mentality.

    I'm optimistic about Sunday and the season, though concerned about our lack of health at RB and DB.
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    Where are you getting your info??:

    Pats are #16 vs pass, ahead of Jets and Dolphins and slightly behind the Bills in the middle of the pack:
    NFL Stats: by Team Category

    and also the Pats are the 7th best rushing team in the league, which is pretty damn good especially considering all the injuries sustained at RB:
    NFL Stats: by Team Category

    The Jets had a lack of rush until recently as well, then they started blitzing more. I believe the Pats will do the same in the 2nd half of the season and with Seymour coming on strong and getting back to BigSey of old the defense will improve coming down the stretch.
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    Sssssssshhhhhhhhhhh!!!!! Facts are not allowed in an argument with Faux Pats Fans. Otherwise, their overly negative rants that aren't supported by anything other than their extreme dislike for the Pats look really silly. We don't want that to happen.

    BTW, the crappy Pats' rushing offense has the most yards out of any team in the AFC East.
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    What's stopped them from taking away Cassel's short passes to this point?? Fact is with Randy Moss teams have to play at least one safety over the top at all times to take him away. Also you might want to check the numbers on Cassel he's right there in terms of avg pass with Favre, Roethlisberger, Eli and Peyton Manning and the star everyone wanted to bring in to replace him Garcia: NFL Stats: by Player Category

    Your have no facts to back your weak arguments, if you want to be and stay negative become a Raiders or Lions fan.
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    Absolutely. You can look to Maroney as an example of this. They complained about him all last season, until he shut them up at the end of the year. Then, when he was hurt and started slow this year, then went to IR, they jumped right back into it. Meanwhile, throughout the league, running backs are dropping like flies, but that gets ignored.

    Of course, it's the same mentality that blames McDaniels for losing a game where Gaffney holding onto a football means the Patriots win, or blames Cassel for games where Moss doesn't come up with catchable passes. There's a name for these people, but I'd be banned if I used it.
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    Obviously, I don't agree with the forecast, but I don't think that the forecast is "screwy". Obviously, many posters here think we are by far the best in our division and 2nd best the conference. It is not "screwy" for others to disagree.

    The article predicts that the Bills will end 8-8, after going 3-5. Is that screwy? Fans of the Bills would probably say so.

    The article predicts that the patriots with a weaker schedule will go 4-4 and the jets will go 5-3. That's wrong, but not crazy.

    The writer likes Miami at this point to go 6-2. Perhaps that's nuts, and perhaps they are for real. They have had some solid games.
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    It is screwy that the guy predicts that the Pats will be 7-3 next Friday and go 2-4 the rest of the way including a loss to a bad Seattle team. Where they have the Jets going 6-5 over the week after and then going 4-1 the rest of the way. That seems very screwy to me.

    Maybe if they didn't have he didn't have the Pats winning the next two and the Jets losing the next two, it would make more sense. Maybe if the Jets have shown any consistency to have four wins in a row as Robinson suggests. It's not that he thinks the Pats will go 4-4 and the Jets will go 5-3 that is screwy it is his logic behind it that is.
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    cassell is mr. field goal, after his first read its over, his stats are very misleading because they are all dinks and dunks, this will not win games if they fall behind, case in point miami, and san diego
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    The Patriots were behind against both San Francisco and St. Louis, and came back to win those games. Any other fallacies you'd like to put forth?
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    This is a qood omen. I'd like to see more articles like it. Being underestimated always seems to work out pretty well for the Pats.
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    Miami was his second start of his career. If you looked at Brady after his second start of his career, you would say the guy would never be anything more than a mediocre NFL QB if that.

    Anyone who thinks that Cassel is the same QB today that he was back in September, hasn't been watching many games. And he is no longer just a first read guy. He did a very good job going through his progressions and it is the reason why people are complaining he didn't throw deep to Moss. Because there were times it was clear that the play called for going deep and Cassel instead of trying to huck it down field into coverage dumped off the ball and occassionally ran with it.

    Weak argument. Why not use one of the preseason games for an argument too?
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    That's Briz's job.....
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    there is a reason hes never started a game in college, hes shaky, cant feel the pressure, and cant throw the ball downfield accurately, his worst side has yet to come
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    Hmmmm..... he clearly felt the pressure last week, and throw a very accurate downfield pass to Gaffney last week. As for shaky, well, that's not exactly a specific term, so there's no real sense discussing it.

    Any other fallacies? That's three for you so far.

    P.S. There's also a reason that he's succeeding in the NFL despite never starting a game in college. Unfortunately, that side of the equation interferes with your agenda, so you ignore it.
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