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  1. HEY BRO! WHAT UP?

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    They just give a rundown on the Pats RB situation but one point caught my attention that I've noticed for awhile:
    Since 2007, it's seems as though Maroney has lost some speed, yet he hasn't suffered any leg injuries (knock on wood). Other than the game against Tennessee, he had a hard time getting to the second level. But when he did, he got caught pretty easily.

    Has anybody else noticed this?
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    He's running harder which caused the fumbling issue.

    There's less dancing which means he's less likely to hit the home run.

    He has the package, but he just doesn't seem to find a way to put it all together in one (apart from the Titans game).

    If he can be given carries from the start of the season, it'll help him and the offense and maybe set up some play action.
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    I do not believe that long runs are as much a function of the runner as of the blocking. E.g. BB has always said the first 10 yards are on the front 7 and everything beyond that is on the secondary.
    Outside of a few RBs who excel at the long run and a few who are too slow, and Maroney is neither, the blocking is more critical.
    We consistently hear people say that Maroney has an advantage because we are a passing team, but the converse is true here: if the defense is in nickel/dime, playing off because of Moss as a deep threat, won't bring a safety into the box, etc, then they are BETTER equipped to make the play after those initial 10 or so yards. I can recall a ton of times Maroney broke through to that area and had an unblocked DB there.
    I don't see any difference in speed, explosiveness or mobility in Maroney now than as a rookie.
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    The thing about Maroney is he's a pretty young guy for how much time he's spent in the NFL already. With how little carries he has in four years he should be entering his prime. I doubt he does anything amazing this year but hopefully he becomes consistently reliable. I'll be happy with that, because that's all we need from the running backs.
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    The pats need Maroney like I need an annurism...
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    I would like to wager that this thread exceeds 20 pages by next week.
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    There's actually an excellent breakdown of Maroney's fumbling issues on PatriotsPlanet by a poster named AllWorldTE...

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    Maroney, though usually ineffective, is not in my top three concerns.
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    Maroney offers zilch except a low cost RB for the Pats who knows the system.

    When he gets cut (not if) no team will pick him up and he'll be a campbody for Lions, etc.

    He only ran well when Dillon ran well.
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    You're a moron.
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    If he gets released, my guess is he'll play well for whatever team picks him up and the same people who called for him to get released here (you) will dissect the front office for actually being "dumb enough" to let him go (ala David Thomas last season). Maroney is a solid running back. But this point has been discussed to death, hasn't it.
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    If LoMo was to be cut, he would be picked up in a heartbeat. There are a number of teams who would want him. He may not be an immediate starter with his new team, but the guy has value.

    There is no way the Pats cut him. Not w/ 3 other RBs on the wrong side of 30 and 2 of them habitually injured (may not be fair to Taylor but he was last year).
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    Whats being overlooked is the fact that Koolade changed cereals last year when he watches cartoons. He went from Cocoa Puffs to Captain Crunch. Then, the fumbling started to happen.

    Hes crazy for Cocoa Puffs again.
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    There was an excellent discussion on Maroney on one of the PatsCast podcasts (the myths one) and the point was made (which I agree with) that the Pats run blocking system just doesn't support a runner with Maroney's style. So many times last year when he got the ball a defender was already in the backfield ans he did well to get 2 or 3 yards

    I think we need to decide if we want a donwhill type of runner like Taylor or Morris or a more finesses runner like Maroney - for that reason he'll always do well for us in some games and badly in others

    As has been said I think if he went elsewhere you'd see be productive
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    Am I the only one that still likes Maroney?
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    i expected more from him, no doubt; that's the reason why i'm a little bit hesitant to judge him

    let's see this season; i really hope he will have a huge good one
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    Maroney's next contract on another team will be a minor one. It will be for a Kevin Faulk role, not a starting runningback.

    His next contract won't be here, thank god.
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    You think?

    I dont like his style because hes not got the sharpest turn of speed.

    I dont think he's a RD1 RB in terms of catching skills.

    I dont think he picks up blitzes well.

    He has an annoying habit of cutting and duking when he should be running hard,straight and direct and vice versa.

    He has an annoying habit of fumbling the ball.

    I have NEVER seen Maroney win the Pats a game. I've seen many an RB win a game for their respective franchise.

    So why am I a Moron ???
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    You've proven it over 89 posts.
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    No. That is why I am going to avoid this thread since it will obviously turn into another Maroney bashing thread.
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    Good. That makes me feel nominally less insane.
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    I like how you preface your remarks with the phrase "I don't think," because it really sets the tone for the remainder of your post.

    Funny how you get a bird's eye view, yet Maroney gets only what he can see out of his visor. Yet he still manages to pick up what's available, most of the time. I mean, let's just ignore the stats about his tendencies to not make negative plays (better than Peterson or MJD in this regard).

    Let's also ignore his consistent production in space; he catches the ball well, and usually picks up a first down. He's also pretty good on kickoffs, except for a few baffling reps last year. C'est la vie.

    Prior to this year, when his fumbling showed up, he had something like one career fumble over three years. Ever heard of the law of averages? Yeah . . . I didn't think so. ;)

    You know, bandwagoners and trolls are easy to spot, because they know nothing of Patriots history. You claim that you have NEVER seen Maroney win a game for the Patriots--must not have watched the end of the 07 season, or his fantastic playoff games. We rode him to successive 120+ yard games against teams fighting for their playoff lives. Maybe he didn't single-handedly "win the game," but he sure as heck made it a lot easier for the other 20+ guys on offense and defense to seal the deal.

    One last thought. I particularly enjoy how you capitalize "Moron" as though it's a separate entity or species; I never knew you all were self-aware enough to create a support group. :cool:
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    I think Maroney run was greatly influenced by Corey Dilon, which i think it doesn't suit him well.
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    No there there are many that agree with you, including me, but no amount of statistical or anecdotal evidence refuting the claims that Maroney sucks are ever given any heed by the I don't care what the stats say I believe what I believe crowd.
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    He had 4 fumbles last year.. Prior to that, he had ONE.

    The Pats game isn't predicated on the RUN. That's why you'll never see "Maroney win one".

    I think it's pretty clear why you are.. At least on this subject.
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    I think he put on weight to protect himself from injuries, but he's lost some burst because of it.
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