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    Re: Scouts Inc. casts critical eye on Pats

    Mr. Williamson needs to start posting, when the Patriots are on the clock, just who these "true difference-makers" are who we should be drafting. Picking at #22-#32 every year makes that difficult. We've had our share of misses, no doubt, but picking where we do it's an unreasonable suggestion that we should get more difference makers unless we start drafting the Dez Bryants.
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    Re: Scouts Inc. casts critical eye on Pats

    I guess we should have a few 4-12 years so we can get top 5 picks?
    Or figure out how to pick top 5 guys picking from 22-32 every year????
    I dont get how trading from 22 to 27 robs you of getting 'impact' guys.
    Plus didnt we get Moss and Welker with draft pick trades?
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    Re: Scouts Inc. casts critical eye on Pats

    He calls Belichick the best head coach and talent evaluator in the NFL, yet questions his draft strategies.
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    Re: Scouts Inc. casts critical eye on Pats

    ill take the really good role players of bruchi, ted, law, mcginest, branch, givens, brady of the 2004 teams

    than the superior talents of any number of players
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    Re: Scouts Inc. casts critical eye on Pats

    I think you guys are being a little harsh on Williamson

    After all Williamson is the winningest Head Coach in the history of the NFL with 7 Super Bowl titles,he knows what he is talking about

    Respect Da Man
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    Re: Scouts Inc. casts critical eye on Pats

    More "insight" from someone who has never in his life had to make a real decision affecting the well being of a real organization in real time.

    "Those who can, Draft. Those who can't, Blog."
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    Re: Scouts Inc. casts critical eye on Pats

    I think what he says has some credence and that has been talked about on this board for a while. The continuous trading down does take away the ability to draft some big names....not all of which are good....that is agreed.

    But stay away from the koolaid....a lot of us would like to see the Pats take an impact player or trade up for one sometime with all their draft choices instead of the continuous trading down.

    It doesn't really matter about the SB titles, etc......his point is we haven't done that well in the draft lately with our trade down philosophy....I for one think he is correct (except for this year)
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    Re: Scouts Inc. casts critical eye on Pats

    i think that's exactly what he's saying. start drafting the dez bryants. or package a couple of the 123987462134908798 picks you have and move up to take an impact player. with all the picks the pats had, they could have moved up to take eric berry if they really wanted to...
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    I don't know. I feel like the strategy of trading and stockpiling picks when you're winning Super Bowls and going unbeaten and the draft is week, then having a bunch of picks when the draft is strong and you're re-stocking, is pretty good.
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    Anyone who doesn't grade the draft as an A+++ is a complete moron.
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    Re: Scouts Inc. casts critical eye on Pats

    And those who post on message boards ... ?
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    Those who do, do. Those who can't, write. Those who can't write, post on message boards.
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    That pretty much sums it up right there.

    Fine it is one thing if you want to question the players that he choses

    but how anyone can criticize dropping down a combined 18 spots and picking up extra 4s and 3s and parlaying one of the 3s into a 2 next year.

    You want to talk about the success of this draft and the general philisophy than ponder this. The patriots entered the day with 4 day one and day two picks (first 3 rounds) and left with 5 day one and two players and an extra 2 next year and 4 of the 5 players came in the first two rounds.
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    ESPN affiliated organization critical of Pats. Shockah!! Every draft expert in the world makes mistakes. BB did with T.Wheatley and to a lesser extent Wilhite. Needs a cb because those two can't cut it against elite qb's like Manning and Brees. You need 3 cb's when playing those teams not two. 3RD CB plays 90% of snaps against some teams. That's a starter. I'll bet McCourty sees the field on defense quite a bit. Might even beat our Butler at cb opposite BOdden leaving D.Butler our nickel corner.
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    Pretty remarkable when you look at it this way.

    Only 4 teams had 5 picks in the first 100 taken; Pats, Browns, Chiefs and Broncos. Anyone see a pattern there?
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    Re: Scouts Inc. casts critical eye on Pats

    Precisely. The Detroit Lions say, "hello" with all of their superior draft picks thru the years.
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    Re: Scouts Inc. casts critical eye on Pats

    remember these guys when pats won those SB's said that pats dont have any superstars or HOF players but just play together and 'dont make mistakes' . i always had a problem with that moniker and now they turn around and say we dont hve those playmakers.
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    nice find on this about the BB/Tree.......Don't think anyone saw this,before you:rocker:
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    thanks......
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    Look...Matt Millen played on 4 Super Bowl teams. He then became one of those analyst "experts" that decides who is a difference maker and who isn't. Then he took a giant dump on the city of Detroit for years.

    the point? I have no idea what makes BB pick who he picks. I do know that the Patriots constantly field one of the better teams in the league on a year to year basis.

    Guess that makes me a kool-aid drinking homer. I'll accept that. At least I get to watch some good competitive football every year.
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    This writer is just picking on the wrong draft. And who better to do that than someone with virtually no credibility to do so?
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    Couple of comments.....

    People defending the Pats trade down based on this year's draft alone need to widen their view a bit. The article was talking about the past few drafts....and imo...he had a point.


    Understand this also.....the Pats are who they are with a big thank you to Mr. Tom Brady also and if you all remember.....even he questioned the lack of talent at WR the year before the unbeaten regular season and "forced" management to step up to the plate.

    All the Patriot talent be damned....just as the Colts wouldn't be as good as they have been without Manning, the Pats would be nowhere near as good without Brady...the only reason I state this obvious point is that there are teams in the league with better overall talent than the Pats....but they don't have Tom Brady.....so I'm sorry.....I can't drink the koolaid over our previous drafting results for the most part.

    With the draft bounty coming up next year.....I really hope they use them, for a change.
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    Yes the Pats had a couple of bad drafts. But all things considered I believe they are still more succesful with thier draft stategy than the majority of the other teams in the league. And. While I agree that TB is the player that can make the Pats a GREAT team, they are a good team even without him. I submit into evidence 2008.
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    Whatever, it's a good strategy imo.
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    I don't really see what the fuss with the article is all about. Questioning the trade down strategy is a legitimate thing to do, no matter which side of the issue you eventually end up on.

    I think people are confusing one aspect of Belichick's strategy, which is to look to drop if you've got a group of players that you like all the same and could still get one of them at a lower pick, and the other aspect of such strategy, which is to get players when you prefer a specific choice rather than one of a group. Belichick touched upon how he sees this 'value' in his interview on WEEI yesterday. Those of you who missed that might want to go to WEEI.com and take a listen.
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    matt williamson is a tremendous dumba$$.

    I could say I'm casting a critical eye, but I'd rather just be honest about it.
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