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    Extreme Greenies:see now why we push"drill,baby,drill"known reserves&promising finds in safe onshore places like ANWR? Now do you get it?

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    typical... (i) politicizing a disaster; (ii) ignoring the risks inherent in what she now proposes; (iii) ignores that all along she and her cronies have wanted offshore drilling as well

    Can't wait for them to open up ANWR and have the next disaster destroy that, too, all while mocking the idea of developing more "green" alternatives
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    She is the dumbest person on the face of the Earth.
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    Her and the standard 46% of Americans who are right along with her. Next time you're at a party with 20 people, know that 9 of them are likely in tune with Palin on this...and half of them think Saddam bombed WTC...:confused:

    In a CBS News poll conducted earlier this month, 46 percent of Americans said they supported increasing offshore drilling for oil, marking a drop since 2008. That support has changed little in recent weeks: 45 percent said they were in favor of more offshore drilling in the new poll, while 46 percent said the associated costs and risks are too great.

    Poll: 70% Say BP Handling Oil Spill Badly - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

    esit:
    Don't know what's scarier...that number or this one:

    A bipartisan national survey has found that by a margin of 53 percent to 35 percent, Americans oppose proposals to drill for oil in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.

    http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/technologyandresearch/a/anwrsurvey.htm
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    we need to get the flunk OFF of oil. It creates nothing but pollution, and war. It funds terrorists.

    Its sucks so bad that a person like Palin, with such power over weak minded people is feeding them slogans of backward thinking. Instead of thinking abouy the future and pushing americans to rise above challenges to lead the world.

    She, along with Limbaugh, and Beck are the real driving forces behind our nation becoming a disaster of a place, and thats not hyperbole. I honestly heard Limbaugh say the other day that oil spills, like the one in the gulf are no big deal, and that sit natural? WTF? I hear Beck describe anyone who thinks differently than he does as a "Nazi"... even jewish people who were holocaust survivors....a guy who is against socialistic policy, yet boasts that he is a self educated man who learned it all in a PUBLIC LIBRARY. A man who compared the term "Empathy" to Hitler's genocide...

    The conservative spokespeople are morons.
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    And i didn't think the women could get any dumber, then she says this.
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    Onshore drilling disaster? :confused2:

    When Chernobyl lit up the evening sky, did the world shun nuclear energy? I'm not trying to slight the tragedy that's going on currently, but the world needs energy, and that's not changing anytime soon. If more lands were open to drilling, then we could arguably harvest supplies more safely. From some of what I'm reading, the deeper the water, the higher the risk of incident. The point is, oil is needed. It's going to get drilled, and it's going to come from somewhere. The right track is to have a balanced approach where enough land is open to supply it, but not too much so as to deincentivize the search for an alternative. Shouting that oil starts wars, pollutes, supports terrorism, etc. might all be true, but where is the alternative?

    PS - I'm a big on hydrogen personally.
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    People are stupid. That's a known fact. You say flashy things that make vague sense as long as you don't think about it and stupid people will clap and clamour. Unfortunately, that's what garners the most votes so that's what our politicians use. It's no longer the best and the brightest, it's the people who don't mind being on the cover of People magazine and can spew mindless rhetoric on command.
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    RW: Most people aren't shunning oil. But many of us did want -- and still do want -- more focus on developing alternative energy. The gulf disaster is just one more example of why this is necessary.

    TBrady: absolutely right, though you omitted what i think is the more recent phenomenon of wanting "somebody like me" as our national leaders -- my impression is that in the past people sought leaders who were more capable, more intelligent, more qualified.
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    Most conservatives support "all of the above" solutions. We don't like omitting one thing because it goes against a political agenda. We want off foreign oil and don't see an alternative to oil in the near term, so we want domestic oil. I'm sure once hydrogen fuel cell cars meet safety standards for use you'll see a strong push there. If not, shame on the politicians (well, even more shame).
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    The only issue with that is there is no domestic oil in the near-term. At least not in any quantity that would make a dent in our overall consumption, which is why many of the drilling ideas proposed by Republicans (like drilling in ANWR) may sound good in theory, but in reality do little to solve the problem.
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    Then where do you start? You have to ramp up somewhere. Similar to immigration reform... there's this call for "comprehensive" reform for several years, which basically means throw the kitchen sink in and you have a good excuse to do nothing.
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    Raise CAFE standards. Construction of new nuclear power plants. Implement a gasoline tax, use profits to subsidize development of renewable energy infrastructure and technology. More construction and funding of public transportation in urban areas.
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    I agree with some of those points but are those any faster than ramping up domestic oil production?
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    Maybe most conservatives do support all alternatives, but I've sure heard a lot of hostility towards "green" solutions from the right -- and I'm referring to friends, to folks here and to various pundits in the media

    (that hostility is even greater when proposed solutions involve the government)
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    The first three, yes. The last point, I'm not sure as it varies.
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    Just try constructing a nuke plant the left wing will go insane, we should have started looking for alternatives as soon as WWII ended, the oil situation is disgusting, we buy and make billionaires from a race of people that want us all dead, Imagine the jokes the Arabs and the rest of those bastards over in The Middle East have over the stupid Americans.

    Paul McCartney, Sean Penn, Al Gore and Nancy Pelosi will never ever allow a New Nuke Plant, John Fonda Kerry will never allow Windmills.
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    The hositility, I believe, is generally fueled by the underlying agenda. Carbon credits yield a new tax on the energy industry which, it's believed, will be passed down to the consumer. Most green energy solutions are currently less cost effective than fossil fuel alternatives (except for nuclear). The domestic green energy business is not that robust; the majority of materials would come from China which would increase our trade deficit. I don't think it's an aversion to clean energy, it's an aversion to the proposed methods of implementation that might hurt the economy further.

    EDIT: I also think it's interesting the biggest winners would be the multinational corporations that liberals often decry. GE/NBC would make quite a bit of money either via importing and implementing the expensive solutions or by accepting federal subsidies.
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    Try putting a windmill in Boothbay Harbor, see what happens a half naked loony old man will be jumping up and down, yelling and screaming like a lunatic..
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    Enough people that matter shun oil, which is why so many lands are off limits to exploration, and drilling.

    No one is opposed to alternatives. What people are opposed to is the insane, agenda driven policies that seem to come with them, as well as their cost.
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    Why do you care what they think? (This applies to "Hollywood," too, of course :) )

    edit: btw, Many Americans are stupid, particularly when it comes to things related to oil. Remember when "high" gas prices were news, and there'd be innumerable people complaining about the cost to fill up the 30-gallon tanks of their SUVs, for ex?
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    What is the "underlying agenda"?

    Carbon credits may not be the right way of doing it, but costs probably should be higher -- both to producers and, yes, consumers. The (not so?) hidden costs of our dependence on oil are enormous.

    As for "green" energy not currently being cost-effective, or coming from China, those are the kinds of reasons why government should be involved, if it's agreed that those are the directions we need to be going in at some point. The country needs to take a longer term view on this. We've known it to be an issue for over 30 years, but we continue to bury our heads in the sand every time the latest crisis goes away. I've given up on hoping that the public would be less reactionary (re both the good and the bad) and take a longer view, but I still find it sad that our leaders appear to follow suit, probably increasingly so.
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    Those are 2 different things.

    I have no interest in us drilling in ANWR because I think it's inevitable that at some point another crisis will occur, and another pristine part of the earth will be gone - all for a temporary and minor impact on our energy needs.
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    If there's profit in it, private industry will naturally follow unless restricted from doing so.
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    But not necessarily at the timeframe we need.

    The market isn't perfect, and it isn't the answer for everything.

    (and before some neo-con jumps in with the free market talking points, I'm very pro-business and pro-market, own a couple companies and have started or helped start 4, big Milton Friedman fan, etc.)
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    Actually, I'd question why you think government would move any faster than business...
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    Some one please correct me, but are cars the only use of petroleum? Don't we need to continue to drill because we also use it for...

    Fuels - like gasoline, diesel, propane (many people use propane to heat their homes), heating oil

    Heavy bottoms - like asphalt, bitumen, tar

    Petrochemicals - used as a feedstock for many everyday products:

    plastic gadgets, tools, bags, toys
    candles
    clothing (polyester, nylon)
    hand lotions
    petroleum jelly
    perfume
    dishwashing liquids
    ink
    bubble gums
    car tires
    ammonia
    heart valves
    and many more...

    so even if we stop using it as fuel, dont we still need it?
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    You seem to be misunderstanding what I'm saying. It's not either-or.

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