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  1. Mrs.PatsFanInVa

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    Does she even THINK before she speaks??

    It's unbelievable. Unbelievable," said Palin on Wednesday evening while appearing on Sean Hannity's Fox News program. "No administration in America's history would, I think, ever have considered such a step that we just found out President Obama is supporting today. It's kinda like getting out there on a playground, a bunch of kids, getting ready to fight, and one of the kids saying, 'Go ahead, punch me in the face and I'm not going to retaliate. Go ahead and do what you want to with me.'

    I can see her forgetting her idol, Ronald Reagan's, stance on it - I mean she was only studying Poli-Sci in college at the time - but did she somehow miss her running mate's stance on Arms Control during their campaign time together, too?

    Senator McCain openly embraces the role of allies in this process. He openly embraces the role of multilateral organizations in this process of addressing nuclear proliferation and improving nuclear security.

    He openly endorses the important role of traditional treaty-making, bilateral negotiations, verifiable measures as the means and the conduit through which we can achieve these aims. In short, Senator McCain endorses the approaches that have been successful in the past, but need some refinement, improvement if they’re going to succeed in the future.

    First, like Senator Obama, Senator McCain has laid out an underlying philosophy on nuclear issues. In this, he chose to quote Ronald Reagan who, 25 years ago, said, “Our dream is to see a day when nuclear weapons will be banished from the face of the Earth.” This is very much Senator McCain’s hope as well.

    In his speech, Senator McCain commits to reductions. He will continue the process of studied, but forward progress on reducing the size of the nuclear arsenal of the United States of America. But likewise, he will be looking to engage Russia, to engage Russia in the reduction of its nuclear forces. Also Senator McCain separately calls for additional strategic dialogue with China to begin the process of better understanding, better recording, and, hopefully, even leading to a result where China’s strategic nuclear arsenal is constrained.

    How Will the Next President Reduce Nuclear Dangers? McCain and Obama Campaign Represenatives Discuss Candidates? Strategies | Arms Control Association
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    Reagan Trust but verify, Barry no verify, big difference, Palin get it, you and barry don't.


    Obama no on site verification. BTW a lot of the Russian arms have aged to the point of not being usable, they gave up nothing, we give up our arms for a photo op.
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    SOOO 13 what neocon rag did you dredge that from?
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    Mrs.P reads, Pats13 doesn't.

    Maybe you ought to actually read a few articles about the current plan. We gave up essentially nothing.

    The new treaty reduces the numbers of deployed warheads from previously agreed levels, but still leaves Russia and the United States with enough nuclear weapons to easily assure their mutual annihilation.

    Factbox: What's in the Russia-U.S. arms treaty? | Reuters

    I mean, honestly, do you really need more than guarentees mutual annihilation?
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    Maybe you need to read more about how our policy has changed telling enemies who they can attack us with biological or chem weapons and not face the possibility of nuke retaliation.


    This guy is a moron, he can't even name a player from his 'favorite' baseball team, at least Kerry knew who Manny Ortiz was....
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    I'm sorry, 13 - not to pick on your communication skills or anything but I don't even know what that means...."who they can attack us with biological or chem" just can't be answered because it's not coherent to begin with.


    And knowing the names of baseball players is relevent to being a president how?

    Offhand, without googling, can you tell me the name of the Poet Laureate of the United States? How about the author of "This Rough Magic?" Name the conductor of The National Symphony Orchestra. What did T.S. Eliot write?

    If you don't know the answers without looking them up - does that make you, too, a moron?
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    OOPS, mind going faster than hands, point is you don't want to let your enemies know they can attack us with chem and bio weapons and not risk nuke retaliation if they comply with the nuke non proliferation treaty.




    Obama said he was a huge White Sox fan, yet he can't name his favorite player or any player for that matter, even makes a mistake naming the stadium his favorite team plays in.

    Think Pats or Red Sox fans can name a favorite player or know where their team plays?


    2 possibilities he is really cosmically stupid, or he is a congenital liar, which has a lot to do with being president.
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    There, there only six and a half more years to go or so unless theworld ends in 2012.
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    I wouldn't count Obama's chickens before they hatch. While he certainly has the advantage of being re-elected, I don't think it's anywhere close to being a guarantee. The aura with respect to his nomination, and subsequent election, will be gone in 2012. It will be more about substance over style, and thus, by default, I don't think he'll get a lot of the votes that swayed his way the last time around.
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    If you're referring to his interview at the game the other day where he didn't offer up the name of his "favorite player" did you ever stop to think that he was being diplomatic rather than stupid? If he's friends with many of them, which the following article seems to verify, how could he name any one of them and not risk hurting the feelings of everyone else? Not knowing something and not saying something are two different things.

    Sounds like he knows enough - and is smart enough to know when to keep his mouth shut, too.

    They hang out at each other's homes. Shoot hoops at the local health club. Barbecue in the backyards. Vacation together. Even go trick-or-treating on Halloween.
    Barack Obama may have moved out of the Hyde Park-Kenwood neighborhood of Chicago to the White House of Washington, D.C., but to the Chicago White Sox, he will always be one of them.

    "I not only have to answer to (chairman) Jerry Reinsdorf and our fans," White Sox general manager Kenny Williams says, "but answer to the president of the United States. If we don't win, I know I'm going to have him on (me), too."


    President Obama is no casual White Sox fan. He wears his black-and-white cap with "Sox" across the top until it is tattered and stained with perspiration, prompting Reinsdorf to have new caps delivered to him. He watches their games, tells the White Sox he pores over their box scores, calls former slugger Harold Baines his all-time favorite player and takes jabs at the rival Cubs like a good South Sider should.


    White Sox's first fan: Obama loyal to hometown team - USATODAY.com
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    RW i just don't see anyone out there that could reasonably run against him and his fund raising machine. Its been projected recently that obama could raise as much as a BILLION dollars yes BILLION 1,000,000,000,000 for 2012.
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    I agree flex. There isn't a Redsox to his Yankees at this point. Of course, no one really saw Obama coming, nor Bill Clinton to an extent. I think he's more likely, at this point, to be re-elected. I just think that it's plausible to think that he peaked in 2008. He's more likely to lose votes moving forward, since the historic aspect of electing a person of color is gone, as well as the aura surrounding his speaking ability. To a good chunk of the people that voted for him, the mystique is gone. That won't change I don't think. He'll have to produce to get those same people to vote for him again.
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    Romney.

    I honestly think, if he could made it out of the Republican nomination process (dominated by the Religious Right who hated his Mormonism), he would have won the Presidency in 2008.

    He's the only one I see with the style and substance who could stand toe-to-toe with Obama in a televised debate.
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    Since health care reform passed, Romney doesn't have a shot.

    Not even a matter of running against Obama; he won't make it out of the Republican primary.
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    I agree that the big and dubious obstacle is the primary slate- - because that is a different audience than the general election.

    If he ever makes it out of the grass roots right schedule, he would be a formidable opponent to Obama.

    No one else there looks like they could take him on at this point......except perhaps, Jebbie - - but that last name at this point would be a HUGE albatross.
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    I can't see Romney at all even health care wasn't an issue. Hes just a pretty boy empty suit that will say anything at the moment to further his career. His problem is video tape showing all these flip flops.
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    At the rate he's going now he won't even be in the race he'll be impeached then thrown out, he's a friggin disaster, the stupid politically correct fawners turned the country over to a socialist jerk because he talks pretty and something else unmentionable for me.

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