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  1. Mrs.PatsFanInVa

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    Here we want to "shut it down."

    Vancouver's mayor said he would shut the British Columbian city's "Occupy Wall Street"-style protest after a young woman was found dead Saturday at the demonstration's encampment, posing wider safety concerns for municipal officials across North America who are struggling over whether to forcibly evict protesters.

    The woman, Ashlie Gough, 23, was found unresponsive in a tent on Saturday afternoon at the Vancouver Art Gallery, the site of the Canadian city's protests, according to the Vancouver police department. Ms. Gough, from the city of Victoria, was pronounced dead upon arrival at a local hospital. Vancouver police say the cause of death hasn't been determined and that "no evidence has been uncovered to suggest the death is suspicious."

    Local media reports suggested Ms. Gough died of a drug overdose, but police haven't provided further details.


    Vancouver to Shut Occupy Camp After Woman Found Dead - WSJ.com

    Here - there's no mention of closing anything - and, with history on my side, I feel pretty confident in saying no one's going to suggest getting rid of fraternity houses.

    An 18-year-old man was found dead in a bed at a UCLA fraternity house Saturday afternoon.

    The Manhattan Beach man has been identified as Glen Parrish, and the cause of death is under investigation. Parrish was not a UCLA student.

    Friends discovered Parrish at the Theta Chi fraternity house on Gayley Avenue around 2 p.m. Saturday. A Los Angeles Police Department sergeant told The Daily Bruin alcohol and prescription drugs may have been a factor in Parrish's death, but toxicology reports are not yet available. The death is not being investigated as a homicide, he said.


    Man Found Dead in UCLA Fraternity House - Westwood-Century City, CA Patch

    The first story will be used here and elsewhere as evidence of the utter evilness of young people protesting, their drug use,their unemployed status, their stupidity and their lack of good moral character while the second will be barely reported and, when it is, it will be regarded as a tragic accident and a waste of a fine young life.
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    Dead Man Found In Cemetary

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    So....are you saying protesters/protests should given the same rights as fraternities?:confused:

    What about when somone is found dead in a hospital or at their homes?
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    What about it?

    That's what I'm saying - why close down the OWS when a death takes place when nothing else, not a fraternity, not a hospital, not a home gets closed down when the same thing happens?
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    Maybe because fratenities, hospitals and homes are private and the protesters are on public property. Could be due to "crowd mentality" issues where people put themselves at risk at the public's expense.

    Or maybe because the protesters cost taxpayers money when public services are necessary. I doubt many Americans want a lot of tax dollars spent helping protesters across the nation.
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    The difference is that government officials are ignoring health and safety laws in case 1 vs case 2. There are plenty of laws on the books that are being ignored to appease the OWS people. Some are so fed up at having their hands tied that yes ... one extreme situation could be the impetus that ends a dangerous situation.

    I read a few cases over the weekend that said it best. Come to these parks, pieces of land ... come everyday to state your message, protest, try to gain support and all the rest. but then follow the laws already on the books and go home - for the safety of all. The OWS should be a protest situation and not an occupy situation - just for starters.

    I am quite confused over this whole mess ... seriously confused. If I want to accomplish something I make sure that my plan is clear, concise and understandable by all i am delivering the message to. If I am so passionate about my cause i do my best to make sure it is targeted and there are as few distractions as possible. All of you so passionate about this movement should be denouncing these occupations and not supporting them. They have become the news and the message is getting drowned out. yet you keep supporting these people who could care less about the message. all they care about is themselves - for many ... sad to say ... that is because they are what they are.

    http://boston.cbslocal.com/2011/11/04/3-charged-with-dealing-crack-occupy-boston-deteriorating/
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    And I don't disagree with any of the above statement. But I don't think that what they're doing should be basis for all the hysteria and blame that's being laid at their doorstep.

    I think we need to remember that the majority of the people there are good, honest people with a cause they believe in. Just like most frat kids are good, honest people with a cause they believe in, too. And if there are a few bad apples who incite violence or provoke violence or take drugs or drink too much, than there are - but that is not the whole of the movement, just like the overdosed frat kid is not representative of the entire fraternity.
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    Because 90% of them are a bunch of Far Left Wing Socialist CREEPS who come out of the woodwork with their drugs and their toy drums whenever they think they can hurt the very system that allows the whacky bastards to exist in the first place.

    All the Mayors have to do is wait and be patient, the ass holes will do themselves in with a little help from one of their biggest enemy's "mother nature".

    MY FELLOW AMERICANS
    STAY OUT OF THOSE TENTS GOD ONLY KNOWS WHATS IN THERE
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    Sure ... but the people behind the movement cannot be so naive as to not see how the media will cover it. Obama's enemies will use this now to hurt him ... something i said from the start. They are using it against him and the unlawful parts of it are being magnified.

    This movement needs to be a protest operation that garners strength through the internet. That will be the best way for them to operate and get stronger without blatantly telling the unwelcome that they are unwelcome because they are destroying the message. When the operation becomes more legit and peaceful politicians will be more willing to join in.
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    Fraternities are private property held by a trustee, so you favor government intervention in private property -- at least that's consistent with the rabid liberal mindset. And you assume here that there is no penalty -- the frat boys will likely be brought up on charges due to manslaughter.

    http://articles.sfgate.com/2005-03-...-hazing-chi-tau-fraternity-fraternity-members

    http://www.ivygateblog.com/2011/05/...cted-for-crimes-tied-to-their-brothers-death/

    http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-14895596.html

    Occupy is more akin to a crackhouse with multiple infractions and no ability to establish ownership or culpability. Better to disperse it before another casualty occurs.
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    Not the same thing at all. All three of your articles concern hazing. This death is not being investigated as anything other than a death by an mixture of alcohol and drugs. Just like the death at OWS. Self-inflicted.
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    Or maybe it's because....

    Maybe because fratenities, hospitals and homes are private and the protesters are on public property. Could be due to "crowd mentality" issues where people put themselves at risk at the public's expense.

    Or maybe because the protesters cost taxpayers money when public services are necessary. I doubt many Americans want a lot of tax dollars spent helping protesters across the nation.
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    The OWS started out as a good thing but the screwballs moved right in, and another thing that turned them into just another bunch of Hippie Ass Holes is they started their Protest in the wrong Place, they Should Have Been In Washington in front of the Capital Building and The White House those are the scumsucking bastards that are to blame for everything that is now wrong with America.

    Also,
    They should be protesting The Obama Wars just as they did with The Bush Wars.

    Phony Partisian Rat Bastards
    I hope their tents get flooded.
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    Self inflicted on private property versus self inflicted on public property. And you don't see a difference?
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    Vagobonds living in tents and carboard boxes in the streets versus $40,000+ per student college campuses. Hmmm.... Really?

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    Yeah.....and a good portion of those "vagobonds" just got done doing their times as $40,000+students living in a college campus.

    Besides, are you telling me that one 20 year old is more valuable than another 20 year old based upon where they die?
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    Who is trying to determine the value of their lives? You're running off in crazy directions on this one.
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    Maybe they should have gone to a cheaper college? I realize this is off topic, but I have no sympathy for those at OWS movements who's main complaint is their student loan bills. No one forced them to go to a super expensive school. State schools, which are very good, offer the college experience at a lesser cost, especially for instate students.
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    Thought you longed and pined for the peace movement????

    Or is that yesterday's obsession???
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    I just long for the days of hippies and free love.:D

    hippie chicks with bell-bottoms, bare bellies (exposed midrifts).... AHHhhhhh
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