Discussion in 'PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum' started by Miguel, Jan 24, 2007.
Thank you for the link...
- all the teams in out devision are in very good to OK shape salary cap wise, things will only get tougher.
-The Titans are out of cap purgatory which is amazing considering where they were 2 years ago.
-the steelers and the Colts are NOT in very good situations, cuts are restructuring will be needed for them to improve.
-why is Carolin in such a bad shape?
- and the Redskins are in deep S***
Confirming previous reports...
The Colts are ****ed. Polian better win it this year or it's all over.
There's no way they're going to bring back all of the following starters who are all UFAs:
LG Ryan Lilja
RG Jake Scott
TE Ben Utecht
RDE Dwight Freeney
SLB Rob Morris
WLB Cato June
LCB Nick Harper
RCB Jason David
28 Baltimore Ravens $5.7 M
They might not be able to franchise Thomas. If he can play in Ryan's 3-4 he can play here and he can play all 4 LB spots.
I would be pumped if they could get him. They would get young and have an immediate impact player all at once.
It occurs to me that these numbers are only semi-meaningful on their own. We need another column stating the number of players under contract for 2007. E.g. $30 mil under the cap is pretty huge if you only have to fill 5 holes, but nothing if you have to fill out half your roster!
Dude i hope the Patriots bring in Nick Harper for a look he has always intrigued me.
12 New England Patriots $26.98 M
13 Chicago Bears $26.9 M
14 New Orleans Saints $26 M
15 San Diego Chargers $24.6 M
That's frightening almost...the 2 best AFC teams and the 2 best NFC teams all have a lot of $ to spend.
Exactly what I was going to say! And it would be even better if it also showed how many of the players under contract were projected starters...often big cap hits are being taken up by players who are no longer even with the team, or are not productive but are more expensive (under the cap) to cut than to keep.
Yep, what you guys said. Also, some could (currently) be affected by guys with inflated back-loaded deals which everybody knows will be restructured, if those players are to play for the team.
The Chargers GM is a very VERY good GM probably does a good a job as Pioli but goes unnoticed. The Patriots cap number will go up a bit more with some money transferring over from this past season to next and a couple of restructures that i know are going to happen.
We'll probably well over 30 million and have plenty of money to play with.
One of PFT's loopiest moments, as far as I'm concerned, was suggesting that the coach AND GM in San Diego could be shown the door after the playoff loss. Who out there has drafted better than the Chargers the past few years? The are LOADED with young talent.
But with some character problems (drugs, arrests).
Daniel Snyder must be going batty. He is jonesing to go after all these big name free agents like Nate Clement, Lance Briggs, Adalias Thomas, Asante Samuel, Dwight Freeney, and his team is in the worst cap shape in the league and one of only two teams that are actually negative in cap space.
I think there are a few players they are going to cut who might fit into our system better than theirs including some of their bigger free agent pick ups last year. Adam Archuletta was totally miss used in Washington. They wanted to use him as a coverage guy, but he is more of a run stuffer, pass rusher, and play closer to the line of scrimage guy. He might be a good rotational guy with Harrison. Andre Carter was a bust for them as a pick up as a DE, but he did fairly well as an OLB in the 3-4 in San Francisco the year before. He could be that Willie McGinest rotational guy with Vrabel and Colvin. David Patten is definitely going to be cut and he should be a good #4 or #5 WR for us.
Lilja, David and Scott are RFAs, not UFAs.
Utecht does not start at TE. Dallas Clark does.
The Colts are UNDER the cap by those numbers by $4.9 million. They can easily free up another $15 million by redoing the deals of Manning, Glenn,McFarland and Mathis. If the Colts work out deal with Simon, they may be able to get out of his deal which would free up close to another $7 million.
Yeah, the Colts are in bad shape only if you believe that Manning will turn 33 next year and that Dallas Clark does not start for the Colts.
Before everyone says that it is bad to push money into the future, the Pats have been doing it every year since BB and Pioli have arrived in Foxboro. In 2006 they pushed money into the future with Dillon and Seymour.
Oh, my. The Colts may have to cut players or redo deals. Gee, every team cuts players or redoes player's deals each and every year. I finally get it -When the Patriots cuts a player or redoes a player's deal, it is a good salary cap practice. When the Colts does the same thing, it means salary cap hell for the Colts.
The one thing you are discounting about the Colts is if they decide to franchise Freeney. What's the franchise number for DEs this year? I assume it is going to be around $8 million. So even if they free up another $15 million, half of that might go to one player.
Then what you are actually saying is that the raw rankings on the chart to which you linked cannot be used in any meaningful way to determine which teams will be well-off cap-wise next year, and which teams will not.
What is the purpose of posting this chart, then? Surely the majority of posters on this site, myself included, are not going to be able to use this information as it is?
Dude,this would be awsome with this happens....BB is coaching the probowl,maybe he will be able to bring Thomas in....I know this is out there...
Good point, but they still have to pay for them!
I would count either Klecko (FB) or Utecht (2TE) as a starter.
The Pats won't have do any of that this year!
If I am discounting the possibility that the Colts may franchise Freeney at a cost of $8.644 million, then I am also discounting the possibilities that there are other ways for the Colts to free up cap space. They could extend Glenn. They could extend McFarland. They could redo Wayne's deal. They could redo Brock's deal. They could redo Diem's deal. They could release Stokley. They could get Stokley to lower his cap number. I am not discounting the fact that a SB appearance and a possible SB victory will help the Colts in the cash-flow department. I think that those who are predicting doom for the Colts in 2007 are. I am not discounting the fact that making to the Super Bowl and maybe winning the Super Bowl will make the Colts a more attractive destination for free agents, especially those who fit the Cover-2 system. I think that those who are predicting doom for the Colts in 2007 are. I am not discounting the fact that making to the Super Bowl and maybe winning the Super Bowl will make it easier for the Colts to retain their free agents as they will have to decide do they want to be like Edge who left for $$$ and is now seeing his former teammates in the Super Bow or do they want to win. I am not discounting the fact that the Colts have been one of the 3 youngest teams in the NFL the past two years so the Colts have been coaching up young players in their system for awhile now and some of those young players may be ready to step in and replace any lost UFAs. I am not discounting the fact that the Colts are going to get very good comp picks for the losses of David Thorton, Tripplett, and Edge. I think that those who are predicting doom for the Colts in 2007 are. I am not discounting the fact that the Colts had 22 players on reserve lists this year and that some (Reagor, Pope, Doss) are probably expected to replace lost UFAs in 2007. I think that those who are predicting doom for the Colts in 2007 are.
I ask once again - how much cap space do the Colts need to have in order to be considered capable of fielding a playoff team in 2007?? As soon as someone tells me that number and how they come up with that number, I will list to the best of my ability the myriad of ways that the Colts can get to that number. IMO, if no one can provide that number, then all of this talk of the Colts facing an implosion is just wishful thinking just like all of the talk of the Colts imploding in 2006 around the same time last year has been proven to be wishful thinking.
And that will not be very difficult to do.
Even if we count Utecht as a starter and you are right we should, he is a RFA, not an UFA.
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