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  1. SamBam39

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    Here are some of the key players that have left the Patriots in each of Belichick's off season's with the team:

    2001
    Bruce Armstrong
    Chad Eaton
    Andy Katzenmoyer
    Max Lane
    Chris Slade
    Greg Spires

    2002
    Drew Bledsoe
    Terry Glenn
    Brian Cox
    Matt Stevens
    Jermaine Wiggins

    2003
    Marc Edwards
    Tebucky Jones
    Lawyer Milloy
    Greg Robinson-Randall
    Otis Smith

    2004
    Terrell Buckley
    Mike Compton
    Bobby Hamilton
    Anthony Pleasant
    Antowain Smith
    Ted Washington
    Damien Woddy

    2005
    Joe Andruzzi
    Ted Johnson
    Ty Law
    David Patten
    Roman Phifer
    Keith Traylor

    2005
    Willie McGinest
    Adam Vinatieri
    Tom Ashworth
    Deion Branch
    Christian Fauria
    David Givens
    Bethel Johnson
    Duane Starks

    And you know what happens each year when we lose these guys? It hurts to see them go, but then we get excited because the new guys they bring in are really good too - often better, and they are often younger and less expensive and our overall team depth gets deeper. If you saw this same list with who got brought in each year yo'd smile and say 'WOW - WHAT A GREAT TRACK RECORD - THAT'S A STEADY STREAM OF GREAT TALENT BEING BROUGHT IN AND GROOMED YEAR AFTER YEAR'.
    I hate to see Deion go too, and I don't like hearing the pats locker room is down, but you know what? they'll be fine, both emotionally and talent wise, so just give it some time. this team will be rolling again real soon and now we are all set for another great draft!
    gostkowski will replace vinatieri just fine
    seau will replace mcginest just fine
    gabriel and jackson will replace branch and givens just fine
    plus we got maroney
    plus we got mills and thomas
    plus we got ocallahan
    plus we got sullivan
    and PLUS we got seattle's number one next draft! (ha!)

    it's unfortunate what happened with deion, and I'm disgusted with him as well, the way there were no counter offers and he held the team hostage afte signing a contract, but if he wanted the money that bad for his 'kids' and his 'sense of fairness' then so be it - what were the pats suppossed to do? just give it to him? he's gone and players and fans alike will have to get over it. a few nice catches by gabriel and jackson and we'll all be quickly getting over it just like we did with milloy once we saw rodney hitting people out there!
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    im still mad about chris slade, he was one of my favorites
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    all of these are huge assumptions. I like the optimism thoug.
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    heh heh - chris slade!

    oh well.
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    There's clearly a trend to these players careers going downhill after leaving the Pats. I believe Law made last year's Pro Bowl but that is about it, I think.
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    first of all - I don't think they are.

    secondly - look at the track record - it happens year after year - and we are always nervous about it - and it's always just fine.

    they bring in really good talent to replace these guys.

    relax - you'll see.

    I already love our kicker!
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    Excellent Post!

    People might think you are too optimistic but its a much better than the doomsday attitude most people have.

    I loved everything about Branch but, this is the business of professional sports. I refuse to fall into the poor Deion bs because it would take me 20-30 years to make the money he makes in one year and the reality is that I got to feed my kids and put them through college!

    Anyway, I was wrong about Donald Hayes and David Terrell's impact with the Pats, I hope the Gabriel and Jackson can get their a$$es on the field and prove to us all that we are going to be fine at WR.

    Stay positive!!!!!
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    I hope you are right, but right now I don't see anything on paper to make the claim you make, especially with the greatest clutch kicker in NFL history..
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    In keeping with this, I predict that the following players will not be here next year:

    2007

    Troy Brown (ouch)
    Daniel Graham
    Corey Dillon
    Don Davis
    Patrick Pass
    Junior Seau (no kidding)
    Rodney Harrison

    Well, actually I'm hoping that Rodney reads this and cites it as us giving him "no respect", assuring his return with Fire and Fury for another year.
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    Look Chad Jackson was a highly, highly sought after reciever in the draft.
    eveyone wanted him. ask any team and they will say they expect him to be really really good. he's just been hurt - that's all.

    Doug Gabriel - the raiders fans are pissed he got traded! He is considered a real talent around the league and the pats are thought to have stolen him with a 5th rounder. He was really starting to develop and come into his own but was behind two other starters in oakland - and he still had good numbers - he should hang great numbers with the pats - and he's big and fast.

    vinatieri, while he will always be a folk hero to pats fans and a legend, he is getting towards his later years, is being hurt more often and is making more misses in the clutch. look back at his recent record - he's blown some big kicks. now - we all forgive him because we love him and know what he can do, but he wanted big bucks and so he's gone. are you telling me all the other 31 teams in the nfl who don't have vinatieiri can't win? no, of course not. so we got the most sought after kicker in the draft - a few other teams already said they were gonna take him, he's got a stronger leg than adam and can boom 50 yarders. he's shown good accuracy and good poise. you know, adam was a rookie once too. gotta start somewhere. all good things must come to an end. brady will be gone someday too. face it. but the beautiful thing is how we are timing these things just right, getting alot for these guys, and finding terrific repalcements so we don't skip a beat. look at the pats roster. look at the talent. look at the ages. look at our salary cap situation. look at 5 staright winning seasons. look at 3 straight division titles. Look at 3 lombardi's in the past 5 years. this team is being run right and adjusts great when they have a problem. I am not worried at all. I think this team can go all the way again. yes - with gabriel and jackson instead of deion, who was not with us when we won it all in 2001.
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    DUANE STARKS?

    hahaha, thanks for the laugh... in no shape or form was he ever a "key" player.
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    heh heh - yeah your right!

    what was I thinking?

    guess I just meant he had high expectations and then was gone.


    he did totally s**k though.
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    I'm still annoye with getting rid of Wiggins, I always liked him.

    Most of our players, especially on defense have a tendency to go downhill after leaving our club. Very few times under the current FO, do we get rid of a player in their prime and they go on to do better...

    I'm not worried about Branch, we'll get by...
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    The Bills almost beat you. I repeat....the Bills almost beat you.


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    Just to add to Sam's point....In the past 5yrs try and name a Key Player that left and has done better than he'd done for the Pats. Take your time....there now, IMO-- NONE, ZERO, NADA!!!!!! That's pretty remarkable, and I think gives BB/Pioli a more than decent track record on compensation/talent evaluations, don't you?
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    His is the only Patriots jersey I own. I don't want to own jerseys anymore when the roster turns over that much and I don't want a Brady jersey, too much of a pretty boy West Coaster. Maybe a Troy Brown one or Kevin Faulk.
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    Almost only counts with horsehoes and hand grenades.

    The Fins almost won. Translation - They LOST.
    The Pats almost lost. Translation - They WON.

    One team is 1.000 for the season and the other is .000. I think even you can understand that? Keep on trolling. We'll keep on laughing as Culpepper implodes when the game is on the line. Hope you enjoy watching the Pats in the playoffs because the Fins don't look like they have a chance right now.

    :) Thank you come again!

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    I'm not sold on seau. he and mcginest are two totally different players size wise and skill set wise.
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    You're tied for last place with them, so shut yer yap, slappy.

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    I'm sorry, but did you just refer to Andy Katzenmoyer as a key player? :D
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    I agree too, I don't think any of these players have made SIGNIFICANT contributions to a playoff contender since they left the Patriots. Some have continued to play well and earn a paycheck, and for them its about the payday, not the game. (See Washington, Ted as example number one)

    Also, if my quick math is correct, thats 37 players that have left in the 6 seasons BB/Pioli have been here, or 70% of a 53 man roster. That turnover is almost as quick as college. With the average NFL career lifespan under 5 years, a good team must always find ways to refresh and re-energize its core. The BB/Pioli formula works. I no longer question it.
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    just an fyi, I didn't name all the players that left - just some memorable ones.
    the turnover rate is actually much, much higher. I didn't name many many lesser-knowns that came and went.
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    alright, alright - I know! I just named players that were well known and might've at one time had high expectations attached to them. we all know andy never got it going with that unfortaunte neck injury.

    nick-pickling can be fun though!
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    well, realistically, mcginest is getting near the end of the line. he's up there in age and was being used more and more situationally than in the past. Of course it's lousy to see him go because we love him - who will forget that tackle on edgerrin james at the goal line in indy or his sacks on manning? - but BB cut him for a reason. Will junior seau blow our doors off? no. but he'll adequately replace an aging mcginest for a year until we can draft some young studs.
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    thanks and I agree - if you really look at it, who can argue with their ability to make the tough choices and evolve this roster?

    people disagreed and cried foul when we drafted seymour instead of terrell.
    people disagreed and cried foul when we traded bledsoe.
    people disagreed and cried foul when we cut milloy.
    people disagreed and cried foul when we drafted watson and mankins.
    the 'experts' in the media haven't been able to see what the pats are doing for going on 5 years now. they're still stumped. they still think it's been lucky and it can't keep up. there will have to come a point where people start to finally catch on and recognise what is going on here. it's only the best mgt of any team ever and the greatest dynasty of all time in pro football. when will people see - when they win their 4th lombardi? or will it take their fifth to convince you? don't wait too long - your life will be over or you will have missed the whole dynasty. see what's happening now. that's the point of this post - this branch thing is right in line with what they've been doing for 5 years now - they just keep rotating in better choices for the team - coaching them up, and becoming a deeper and more talented roster. do you understand that they now have 2 1st rounders next year?? do you know how freakin insane that is?
    Look at this list of really young, really talented players they have BEFORE next year's draft:
    Matt Light, Logan Mankins, Dan Koppen, Stephen Neal, Nick Kaczur, Ryan O'Callahan, Tom Brady, Matt Cassel, Laurence Maroney, Garrett Mills,
    Ben Watson, Daniel Graham, David Thomas, Doug Gabriel, Chad Jackson, Stephen Gostkowski, Richard Seymour, Vince Wilfork, Ty Warren, Jarvis Green, Jonathan Sullivan, Mike Wright, Marquise Hill, LeKevin Smith, Rosevelt Colvin, Asante Samuel, Ellis Hobbs, Randall Gay, Eugene Wilson, James Sanders, Willie Andrews, Patrick Pass.
    I think BB/Pioli need to be given a little more faith from the fans under situations like this Branch thing. They will make sure we are ok one way or another. I remember people being concerned when we lost Terry Glenn. Come on - this stuff just keeps happening. We wer fine with the likes of David Patten. BB will fill the void.
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    I think what people forget is that the Patriots still do invest quite a lot into locking up their own players. In the last few years they've re-signed Brady, Dillon, Seymour, Faulk, Pass, Light, Neal, Vrabel, Colvin (extended a year I think), Hochstein, Green, even Tebucky Jones, among others. They clearly feel comfortable with their own guys and even though they lost a bunch of players this year, they keep enough of their core together so that the team always has continuity along with fresh blood. It's a myth to say the Pats are cold-blooded and always discard players when they've outperformed their rookie contracts. They just won't overpay for guys. I wouldn't have given Branch $39 million either.
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    Sheesh! That there is a mostly pretty good football team. Besides for Starks, whom among these would you not at least consider taking back?

    Amazing!
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    and they don't usually make a splash in the free agent market with big name signings for the same reason - you wind up overpaying to get the guy.
    they just keep making sound judgements, and being fiscally prudent - not cheap - just getting good value for their money - and they wind up with a much much better roster than alot of teams and the ability to keep getting better and better through the years - most good teams have to rebuild after a certain number of years.
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    I know!
    Look at those names!

    and you know what - our team now is the best it's ever been!
  30. mgteich

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    Sure, we're a better team, but let's not sugar coat. In addition to all the draftees who will contribute, we made the following direct replacements.

    OUT: McGinist, Branch, Givens, Vinitieri
    IN : Seau, Gabriel, Caldwell, Gostowski

    Many think the bottom list is better for the team in 2006. Could happen.

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