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  1. PATSNUTme

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    I assume the question is whether the casinos did any sports betting business... if so having a financial interest in a gambling entity that makes or loses money on the outcome of games would be something the NFL would prohibit.

    That being said, the NFL is a bit of a hypocrite on this issue as they force teams to divulge injuries

    The downside to the injury report is that it requires coaches to divulge strategic weaknesses and can also put players at risk for targeted injuries.

    But apparently the need to accurately set the Las Vegas Line outweighs any of Goodell's concerns about that.
     
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    It gets worse...

    "Country Crossing owner Ronnie Gilley and two of his lobbyists have pleaded guilty to offering legislators millions in bribes."

    Given that several other folks are being prosecuted here I can see the NFL having kittens over this link to gambling and BRIBERY.
     
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    Fantasy Football requires an injury report to function. Forget about Vegas.
     
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    I don't know, does seem to be some gray area here as to whether this should fall into a prohibited investment by the NFL.

    Is not the NFL involved in the lottery? Bingo!
     
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    It could be nothing. Although the NFL has been very tough on players being linked to any gambling operation.

    But because the Jets want to resign S.Holmes, my guess is that Goodell will do nothing.
     
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    and here I thought the propensity for abhorrent and detestable behavior by members of a certain NFL "team" had peaked...but no...the green slime of moral turpitude continues unabated...like an oozing river of green sludge...the government should just cordon off the Meadowlands and make the whole damn swamp a Level Five prison to house Jetdell and the pack of disgusting organized criminals and degenerates that is the New York Jets Football Club.
     
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    I don't think there's any gray area at all.
    Gray area?

    Strength in numbers might save Warren, there's too many players. Commissioner Barney Fife will have to put his one bullet in his pistol and start laying down some fines, I predict.
     
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    While I agree the NFL is a hypocrite on this issue - there's a big difference between a state lottery scratch ticket and a casino owned in part by NFL players where the casino sports betting revenue is directly related to the outcome of an NFL game.

    My guess is that the NFL "investigation" was triggered by the association with criminals in the casino and they feel a need to take a tough stance - and investigate and announce that the casino (hopefully) had no stake in wins or losses of NFL games
     
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    Not when he ignores one of his owners who owns racetracks that have slot machines. The double standard won't play well if the players are disciplined.
     
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    How are they hypocritical? Theoretically, they force teams to divulge injuries publicly so that nobody out there has any top secret inside info. Of course, in practice it doesn't quite work out that way, but that's the goal of the injury reports.
     
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    It may be hypocritical, but there's never been any gray area about players involvement in casinos.
     
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    Lucky for them there's a labor negotiation right now.

    They'll get protected as one of the last sweeteners on the players' side of the deal.
     
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    Right...NO FINES..Just drop the investment,get out, and promise not to do it again :cool:
     
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    Nor is there one about owner's involvement. If they don't faithfully enforce it for the owners ( they should), then the players have a right to gripe about a double standard if there is anything above a warning to sell their interest. If there is any other punishment, I can see this escalating.

    Owner of Golden Nugget forced to sell share in Texans - NFL - ESPN

    HOUSTON -- A Houston entrepreneur said he has sold his interest in the Houston Texans to comply with an NFL rule prohibiting team owners from having a gambling-related business.

    AllGov - Officials - Rooney, Dan

    "NFL rules prohibit owners from owning, directly or indirectly, any interest in gambling operations. "
     
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    I saw this story a few days ago. I think it will be a non-story. The players will probably be forced to sell their interests in the venture, but no punishment will be given.
     
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    Identifying player's injuries when they're playing puts them at higher risk to be targeted by other teams and puts a coach with key injured players at a strategic disadvantage.

    Even your more benign interpretation of the rule acknowledges it exists to address gambling interests in the outcome of NFL games... my feeling is that Las Vegas and sports betting interests - including the mafia - make it clear that disclosure of injuries is essential to their ability to make income and set the gambling line accurately.

    I'm not comfortable seeing the NFL putting gambling interests ahead of player safety and a coach's desire to protect strategic information in the interest of winning.

    This, I believe, is part of why Belichick and other coaches routinely mock the injury report rules.
     
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    It is surprising how wealthy owners in various fields decide there is gray area when it applies to them.

    That's life.
     
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    doesnt the article indicate they did enforce it?
     
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    I really think you have this one backwards. The whole purpose of the injury list was to keep gambling interests out of the NFL.

    Injury disclosure was first mandated in 1947, after a scandal in which players were suspected of taking payments from gamblers. The idea is that transparency about injuries eliminates a core piece of inside info that gambling interests would bribe players and staff to receive.

    Think about it: disclosing a piece of info to the whole world doesn't "help" a gambler at all. What helps a gambler is knowing something the other bettors don't. That's what the injury list is designed to eliminate.
     
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