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I am curious about this community's perspective on two of our OTs: this year's Pats 5th rounder Ryan O'Callaghan vs last year's Chargers 5th round pick (and Pats practice squad player) Wesley Britt. Both are enormous coming out of great productive careers at Cal and Alabama respectively. Thoughts are welcom.
 
Britt by a nose. But don't leave Brandon Gorin out of the equation either...
 
Britt has the edge because of experience.
 
The competion in camp will be "huge".
 
PonyExpress said:
Britt by a nose. But don't leave Brandon Gorin out of the equation either...

If one of those guys can't beat Gorin I will be really disappointed in both.
 
dr said:
The competion in camp will be "huge".

I am not sure how many remember that Brandon Gorin's first game was the loss in Pittsburgh that ended the winning streak where he had to play both right tackle and later left tackle. He is listed as 6'6" and about 310. Both Britt and O'Callaghan have another two inches in height at 6'8". If I recall correctly John Hanna played for the Patriots at about 265 and 6'3". Quite an enormous difference!

Does anyone have a sense of the quickness and footwork of our prospective tackles on the right side?
 
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I am not sure how many remember that Brandon Gorin's first game was the loss in Pittsburgh that ended the winning streak where he had to play both right tackle and later left tackle. He is listed as 6'6" and about 310. Both Britt and O'Callaghan have another two inches in height at 6'8". If I recall correctly John Hanna played for the Patriots at about 265 and 6'3". Quite an enormous difference!

Does anyone have a sense of the quickness and footwork of our prospective tackles on the right side?
Hannah was a guard- I'm sure you knew that:). The running game was so much more important than the passing game back then and the premium was on guards who could pull. Now it's a passing game priority and big fat bodies take precedence.
 
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PonyExpress said:
Hannah was a guard- I'm sure you knew that:). The running game was so much more important than the passing game back then and the premium was on guards who could pull. Now it's a passing game priority and big fat bodies take precedence.

I would have thought that smaller quick tackles would be getting more common because of the growing popularity of speed rushing defensive ends like Dwight Freeney, John Abraham, Julius Peppers, Jevon Kearse etc. Jonathan Ogden is a massive, elite tackle yet whenever he plays The Colts he looks like a bum against Freeney.
 
zippo59 said:
I would have thought that smaller quick tackles would be getting more common because of the growing popularity of speed rushing defensive ends like Dwight Freeney, John Abraham, Julius Peppers, Jevon Kearse etc. Jonathan Ogden is a massive, elite tackle yet whenever he plays The Colts he looks like a bum against Freeney.
True. The fat bodies were more of a 90s thing. The Denver zone-blocking scheme seems to be proliferating now...
 
My take...

Similarities: 6'8" right tackles, highly productive college careers, major injury histories that caused them to fall to the 5th round.

Differences:

Britt played LT to great acclaim at Alabama, but was projected by some to RT because of questionable foot speed. Strength is pass protection; acclaimed for intelligence, leadership and technical soundness. Multiple leg injuries. Has a year on the Patriots' practice squad behind him, with excellent early reports.

O'Callaghan was a classic road grader on the right side at Cal, where he was given a lot of credit for the team's strong running game. Massive and not mobile -- possible projection to guard. Strength is run blocking; acclaimed for strength and nasty, mauling approach. Multiple shoulder injuries.

Both could very well make the team.
 
What an exhilarating thread!

Besides patchick's sage observations, RayClay had this thought ... to which i also subscribe:

If one of those guys can't beat Gorin I will be really disappointed in both.
 
I guess I'd like to see a couple of preseason games before commenting.

However. O'Callahan is projected as a guard in the NFL. Kaczur was also projected as a guard but we saw how quickly that changed.

BTW, I think the RT spot will be Kaczur's to lose based on his perfomance last year at LT. So, I don't know why this is about O'Callahan vs Britt.
 
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PATSNUTme said:
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BTW, I think the RT spot will be Kaczur's to lose based on his perfomance last year at LT. So, I don't know why this is about O'Callahan vs Britt.

Sure, Kaczur is the early fave.

But who ELSE will be on the 53-man final? (My mock roster shows room for only 9 OLs.)
 
Pleasant competition...

NordicVoyager said:
I am not sure how many remember that Brandon Gorin's first game was the loss in Pittsburgh that ended the winning streak where he had to play both right tackle and later left tackle. He is listed as 6'6" and about 310. Both Britt and O'Callaghan have another two inches in height at 6'8". If I recall correctly John Hanna played for the Patriots at about 265 and 6'3". Quite an enormous difference!

Does anyone have a sense of the quickness and footwork of our prospective tackles on the right side?

It is common wisdom that the best and most talented OLineman is placed at OLT. Gorin did not play left tackle in college. O' Callahan did not play left tackle in college. Wesley Britt made All-SEC several times as a left tackle with a reputation as a very good run blocker. Kaczur and Mankins played left tackle in college.

In most cases left tackles do not have that rep as run blockers as they are chosen for their athleticism in pass blocking first and foremost.

Scouts questioned whether Britt could play left tackle in the pros just like they questioned whether Light, Mankins or Kaczur could.

None of these guys is competing for left tackle though. At right tackle where the competiton is, there is more need for run blocking EXCEPT on teams with a great passing game based on a Superb QB.

Gorin was a right tackle, O'Callaghan was a right tackle, and Kaczur was a left tackle, along with Britt. IMHO the competiton is between Kaczur and Britt with the incumbant Gorin as third man in the game. O'Callaghan is PS this year.

On expereince I'd pick Kaczur or Gorin. On fit for the position I'd pick Britt and next year O'Callaghan. Anfd Gorin is the incumbent.

I expect Britt will lineup at RT on opening day or perhaps platoon with Kaczur and Gorin.

Just to confuse you it soemtimes has been suggested that the Pats could move Light to Right tackle if a suitable left tackle could be found. Kaczur demonstrated he could do that; and for chuckles Mankins is better than Kaczur. Both could play anywhere. How bout a 5-way competiton at Right tackle?
 
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O'Callaghan is PS this year.
I doubt that. IR, maybe, is they can work that out but O'Callaghan likely wouldn't make it through waivers as is necessary to go on the PS. There will be a lot of competition, some guys won't make it - maybe an O'Callaghan or a Britt . . . or maybe Gorin. When you account for Light and Koppen coming back, only Ashworth is gone from last year so there's not much room unless a vet goes or an extra OL is kept. And guys like Mruz don't count as he replaced Light or Koppen on the roster. O'Callaghan, Britt (who was on the PS, I think), Stevenson. Only one makes it barring veteran releases.
 
I say may the best man win. It's always good to bring in competition for training camp. And O'Callahan sounds like he could be coached up in coach Dante's system.
 
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It is common wisdom that the best and most talented OLineman is placed at OLT. Gorin did not play left tackle in college. O' Callahan did not play left tackle in college. Wesley Britt made All-SEC several times as a left tackle with a reputation as a very good run blocker. Kaczur and Mankins played left tackle in college.

In most cases left tackles do not have that rep as run blockers as they are chosen for their athleticism in pass blocking first and foremost.

Scouts questioned whether Britt could play left tackle in the pros just like they questioned whether Light, Mankins or Kaczur could.

None of these guys is competing for left tackle though. At right tackle where the competiton is, there is more need for run blocking EXCEPT on teams with a great passing game based on a Superb QB.

Gorin was a right tackle, O'Callaghan was a right tackle, and Kaczur was a left tackle, along with Britt. IMHO the competiton is between Kaczur and Britt with the incumbant Gorin as third man in the game. O'Callaghan is PS this year.

On expereince I'd pick Kaczur or Gorin. On fit for the position I'd pick Britt and next year O'Callaghan. Anfd Gorin is the incumbent.

I expect Britt will lineup at RT on opening day or perhaps platoon with Kaczur and Gorin.

Just to confuse you it soemtimes has been suggested that the Pats could move Light to Right tackle if a suitable left tackle could be found. Kaczur demonstrated he could do that; and for chuckles Mankins is better than Kaczur. Both could play anywhere. How bout a 5-way competiton at Right tackle?
I love it when a plan comes together - competition.

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As usual, there will be massive platooning to start the season. My depth chart (which is my competition line-up) looks like this (the second man on the depth chart is the primary competition for the job, the rest of the guys are just in the mix):

Left Tackle: Light, Kaczur, Britt, Mankins, Roehl
Left Guard: Mankins, Kaczur, Roehl, Mruczkowski, Tucker, Steitz, Stevenson
Center: Koppen, Hochstein, Mruczkowski, Tucker, Barthelmes
Right Guard: Neal, Tucker, Yates, Gorin, Stevenson, O'Callaghan, Roehl, Hand
Right Tackle: Gorin, Kaczur, Tucker, Britt, Roehl, O'Callaghan, Hand

Practice Squad Eligibility
OT: Britt, O'Callaghan, Hand
OG/OC: Steitz, Stevenson, Barthelmes

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Roster Projections: Light, Mankins, Koppen, Neal, Britt, Gorin, Kaczur, Hochstein, Tucker

Depth Chart Projection to start the season
LT: Light, Kaczur, Britt, Mankins
LG: Mankins, Hochstein, Kaczur, Tucker
C: Koppen, Hochstein, Tucker
RG: Neal, Tucker, Hochstein, Gorin, Kaczur
RT: Gorin, Kaczur, Britt, Tucker

PSquad Projection: O'Callaghan, Steitz

Shadow Roster Projection: Mruczkowski, Yates, Roehl, Barthelmes, Hand, Stevenson

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My projected roster creates the greatest flexibility/experience pool on the line. It also gives Dante the option of developing one of his reserves as the primary reserve for each side; e.g. Kaczur takes a series at LT to rest Light, then moves inside to LG for another series to rest Mankins, Britt does the same with Neal and Gorin, but in that case it may work better to have Gorin be the two position player and leave Britt outside when he is in the game.

For the projected roster, Dante has the flexibility to focus Kaczur and Hochstein as left side reserves, with Tucker and Britt as right side reserves. I doubt he'd do it that way, but he has the talent on hand.

As I see it, Mankins and Neal have solid leads on their starting slots, the T and C slots are up for grabs.

BBF - I'm not worried about O'Callaghan making it through waivers, if that is a concern BB just goes with 10 OL on the roster (if he likes O'C enough to protect him). If he goes on IR it may be so Woicik can have him for a year to settle his weight and build up his foot speed. Both he and Hand were unimpressive in pass protection in their All-Star games, but they give Dante and Woicik putty to shape.
 
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One thing's really obvious...

Last year O Line was an issue because of the injuries, but it turned out we had decent replacements in our draft class (whew!) It could have been much, much worse.

This year, while we may not get a huge upgrade (although a healthy Light goes a long way in that direction,) the depth is just silly.

O-Line is a place where you plug the parts in at your peril.. they need playing time together, or it is a fustercluck. So logically you want minimal injuries (even moreso than elsewhere.) But it's nice to bear in mind what this group brings to the table. I've said elsewhere here I see enormous upside (no pun intended.) The Pats ain't likely to go by the zone blocking model anytime soon - that being the case, it nice to know we've got some hawgs in the mix.

PFnV
 
Does anyone have any sense how O'Callaghan and the other offensive linemen did in this past weekend's rookie camp?
 
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I doubt that. IR, maybe, is they can work that out but O'Callaghan likely wouldn't make it through waivers as is necessary to go on the PS. There will be a lot of competition, some guys won't make it - maybe an O'Callaghan or a Britt . . . or maybe Gorin. When you account for Light and Koppen coming back, only Ashworth is gone from last year so there's not much room unless a vet goes or an extra OL is kept. And guys like Mruz don't count as he replaced Light or Koppen on the roster. O'Callaghan, Britt (who was on the PS, I think), Stevenson. Only one makes it barring veteran releases.

I think O'Callaghan and Britt both make it replacing Ashworth and Gorin
 
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