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Ryan Mallett: Is he as good as thought/hoped? Is he the future starting QB?

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  1. scott99

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    This is Ryan Mallett's third season in this offense, and he seems to be struggling. He was pretty horrible during last year's preseason when he basically had his only chance to show what he had. He actually played better as a rookie. What do we have here with Mallett ? At this point, would you be comfortable trusting the offense with Mallett if God forbid TFB went down ? I know Cassel looked horrible in the preseason the same season Brady went down, and then proceeded to have an excellent season. I'm not sure Mallett is as good as Cassel. Will Tebow surpass him ? Whattya guys and gals think ? It's obvious Mallett has talent, a cannon arm, but maybe the QB brain isn't there. Personally I'm very concerned. I figured by season 3 he'd be playing much better than he is now in practice. Maybe he's not as good as we thought.
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    Training camp and preseason aren't about looking good. The goal is to get better, and that usually involves doing what you're not good at. We haven't ever seen Mallett being put in a position to succeed. If the goal is to trade him next offseason, then we'd probably see them do that this preseason. Other than that, there's not much to gain by him looking good right now.
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    I am really looking forward to Mallett playing this pre-season and showing his worth. That way the Patriots can either trade him and get one of the stud quarterbacks in the next draft or two (i.e. Brett Hundley) or keep him so that when Brady does retire, then he is there to step in.

    Either way - I think that Ryan Mallett is ready to show that he is more than capable of helping the Patriots at quarterback if called upon.
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    And for Mallett - it is all about his intermediate to short passing game....
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    Agreed. Always been a fan of the pick.
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    Same here.....
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    I have no problems with him. He's the current heir apparent to Brady, and Coach has kept him on now so there must be something he's doing right.
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    Exactly. We haven't really seen him unleash the dragon yet. I'm hoping he gets to throw a flea flicker sometime this preseason :eek:
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    He's got a cannon, a quick release and height. I still question whether he's got that extra dose of overall athletic talent to carry the load when the pass rush is succeeding and the hits keep on coming.
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    There are many posters here that refuse to face the reality that time waits for no man; and Tom Brady's years are dwindling down to a precious few.

    These fans want Mallett traded, and then say he won't bring much at all.

    Ryan Mallett is in his second Training Camp and going into his third season, having no rookie preseason due to the CBA lockout. From the very limited exposure that I have seen, he has the rare athletic gifts needed to be an excellent starter in the NFL. The criticism has been his immaturity, but I don't see it.

    He was wise enough to leave Michigan when Lloyd Carr retired, and the West Virginia wonder came in, and wanted to run the fashionable innovation of the day, the Wildcat/Single Wing. He was sagacious enough to practice his future trade in the SEC, under a Coach who used a Pro-style Offense.

    He is a Coach's son, and immersed in watching film since he was a teen, like BB. Belichick evaluated him in a several hour interview, and declared him very football wise; and then drafted him in the early third, when he fell within reach. BB didn't believe the rumors.

    Belichick made him #2 in his second season, cutting able backup Bryan Hoyer, supposedly dangerous for a SuperBowl competitor. He has ignored all attempts to trade for Mallett.

    I am anxious to see what Mallett can do this preseason, even though it may be premature. As it wasn't until Casell's fourth preseason that BB felt his grooming complete, and made him endure the Trials of Job, to test POISE.

    I don't know if Mallett can be the Successor, or even if he would wait. But BB is building a very strong SuperBowl contender for the next 4-5 years. It will be much stronger Team than the last four contenders, one of which actually made it there, during the total tear down and rebuild, while still winning.

    But BB would be foolish not to give him a try, and BB is no fool. Mallett is under contract for two full years, and who knows how Tom will look then? This year's college QB crop was barren. Next year's crop has some interesting, but undersized QB possibilities. I have no idea what the 2015 QB crop will be like.

    Meanwhile the TC reports indicate Ryan is having a good camp, making all the throws, short as well as deep, and more important showing Poise and understanding and touch.
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    Well Brady's basically fully guaranteed deal goes five more seasons, so it doesn't really matter what he looks like.
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    No, that is not quite what TB and BB did. Brady got guaranteed money for playing at about 45% of the going rate for a front line QB for 5 years starting last year.

    It also means that TB can be platooned or used as a backup as the years go on, and the contract is not financially impossible for the Team, to allow that possibility.

    If in three years BB uses another starter, Mallett or someone else, TB can still be on the team until his retirement. He won't be forced to a Unitas, Montana or Manning situation that mandated he be released/traded elsewhere in the twilight of his career, simply for financial reasons.

    Class. Pure Class.
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    I agree with you that Mallett obviously has lots of potential. Whether or not his potential is fully recognized here is the important question.

    His contract situation will also be very key to watch moving forward too, as it's up in the air as to whether or not he'd stay on as a backup (if they'd even want him to). Predicting his future worth at this point is almost futile due to there being such a broad range of what he may/may not be worth, not just to us but on the open market to someone else.

    I hope he ends up staying here and is extended as a backup, but I'm not sure how great those odds would be, at least at this point in time anyway.
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    Didn't Mallett have questionable "character issues"????

    Back to the topic at hand, he is as good as they thought, if he wasn't he would not still be with this team...
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    Brady's contract isn't fully guaranteed right now (only for injury). IIRC, and contrary to what Miguel has, each of the last three seasons doesn't become fully guaranteed for skill until the end of the previous season (e.g., his 2016 salary only becomes fully guaranteed at the end of 2015).
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    I don't understand what the OP is getting at. It seems to contradict everything that we've heard; which is the team are very happy with him and he looks good so far. Solid.

    If the team go ahead with two QBs again this year, it's as telling as anything that they are extremely happy with him.

    Brady's contract will see him here until his retirement more than likely, but it's structured in a way that if the Pats really wanted to, they can comprehend the choice of going with Mallett as Brady gets older.

    Right now, I want Bill thinking long term. If for any brief second BB thinks Mallett is the guy we need to go on with, then I would whole heartedly back the move to use him.

    Mallett will be up for renewal in 2015 and we need to make a choice by that point; will we continue to go with a 38 (?) year old Brady for another possible couple of years of success, or do we think long term? Mallett will not hang around to be a backup past 2015 so we need to decide by then if he's our man.

    We don't have to worry about it for a couple of years, but a Ryan Mallett (whom the coaches have every faith in and whom could give us ten more years of success) is much more appealing than a Tom Brady with a couple of years left in his tank and the prospect of not knowing who the hell is going to be replacing him.

    We laugh at teams for taking stabs at average QB classes and reaching on QBs...we don't want to become that team.
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    What has been so bad about our back-up QB? He is not supposed to make 100% of his passes with 4 days of practice under his belt.

    People talk about the learning curve between the rookies, new WR's and Brady. Doesn't that learning curve extend to the other QB's on the team?

    Who would you rather have as a backup?

    I'm not opposed to trading Mallet if we get a decent price.

    I just don't see him as a dump job at this point. I think he can be quite service able if needed.
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    I don't see Mallet pushing Brady out of the starting job. Mallet isn't the heir, it is somebody in college.
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    I disagree, not with his contract and potential.

    I personally feel like he may not ever pick up how to dump the ball off and throw with touch and hit those intermediate throws. It's not like he's 22, he's 25 now.

    I hope I'm wrong and am eager to see how he plays this preseason.
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    I used to wager on Arkansas a bit. Mallett has won me money, so I like him.
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    Cassel didn't exactly look great to begin with. He struggled a bit, particularly early on. Further, he took the reigns of a team that was returning the vast majority of it's starters from a team that went 18-1 the year before and came an "in the grasp" call from going down as the greatest team in NFL history. He took that team, played an unbelievably soft schedule, and went 11-5 with it. To his credit, he got better as the season went on. But how much of that was the schedule, I'm not sure. He looked great against a team like the Raiders, but was a huge reason why the team got absolutely crushed by the Steelers (a team that Pats had routinely beaten with Brady).

    As for Mallett, I can only go by what I've seen. Up until last season, he hasn't progressed like I thought/hoped he would when he was drafted.
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    Mallett's looked like a QB3 who got a QB2 job because his team didn't want to pay $2 million to their QB2. If that's what NE thought/hoped when they drafted him, then he's as advertised.
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    Tom Brady is not is going to get 'platooned or used as a backup' for anyone, much less a guy who's shown absolutely nothing like Ryan Mallett. Either you cut Tom and eat his salary, you trade him, or you start him. He would never agree to hold a clipboard.
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    I see mallett....being traded to a quarterback desperate team...,...as TB is going to be around for a bit..,.,.
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    I don't see Mallett sticking around 3 more years.......from the little I have seen of him,he reminds me a bit of a young Bledsoe,but has work to do.

    The next QB of the Pats is going to be a sophomore in College this year
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    Short of injury Mallett is never going to start a game for the Patriots. I don't think they'll ever get a #2 for him but if they could get what they paid for him I'd consider that a win.

    He needs to have a great preseason for that to happen, though.
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    Who knows what the NE offensive game plan will look like this year given the TE turmoil and WR shakeup. But if it resembles/relies on the the short strike/up tempo, then Mallett will once again be a square peg trying to fit in a round hole. I can see Mallett having better success in the GB/NYG offense that goes vertical. The Vincent Jackson/SD offense from just a few years ago would have been perfect offense for Mallet. No doubt, Mallett is a statue....and no doubt he lacks the finesse and fine touch to thrive in the short passing game. He has big moving parts geared for long range strikes. Maybe his body type doesn't fit in today's NFL. Next year....if Tampa stuggles at QB.....Mallet might be a decent fit for their personnel.
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    This camp and preseason is as critical as it gets for Mallett. He needs to show he's making progress. It's time.

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