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    I would take him at 17. I originally want to take a D-lineman but with Warren coming back maybe taking the best OLB to anchor the side opposite Cunningham would make more sense and draft a DE at 32 or 33. historically BB doesn't draft OLB's though
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    I really love the flexibility of this draft for the Pats. We can pretty much move any way we want to for a player we want OR just sit and take our guy. I hope Kerrigan STAYS under the radar! Most mocks i've seen have him going right around #17 or lower, but depending on the combine and bowl, his stock could rise and push him higher.
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    What the hay, why not. I am on the Connor Kerrigan bandwagon. I just hope he can play a little TE...

    Seriously, he has the right size for the scheme and production, not the other evil P word (potential). Plus He is strong as hell.

    Haters will say he is slow, but Patriots OLBs have always been slow. They don't cover TEs down the field, the jam TEs / RBs off the line and drop into the flat. They aren't asked to cover a slot receiver. I think he would be a great bookend to Cunningham, all off a sudden the LBs are look young and very solid.

    Front Seven
    ----ROLB - Cunningham, TBC,
    RDE - TBD, likely G. Warren or draft pick, Brace
    -------- RILB - Mayo
    NT - Wilfork
    -------- LILB - Spikes \ Guyton
    LDE - T Warren, Wright
    ---- LOLB - Kerrigan, Moore, Ninko

    Lets just do it...
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    I just posted this in another thread about how high Kerrigan might go, figured I might as well move it over here:

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    Trade down to 25 and then pick him, take a 2nd or 3rd rounder for 2011. Then trade 32 or 33 for a first rounder in 2011.

    Make 5 picks in the first 100 and leave with two firsts, two seconds in 2011.
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    I'm actually wanting two DE fairly early even at the expense of OLB.

    Yes, Warren may "come back" but season ending hip surgery doesn't sound optimal for a 30 year old DE. Maybe he'll be the old Tiny but without him we have our current group of rotation guys with Brace being the only one who could possibly be a 3-4 year legit starting DE. I like Cunningham and Nink better than that group, although OLB is absolutely valid as a need I'd be looking for a guy there a little later and taking two DE (assuming solid value) in our top 4 picks with the other two going to the OL.

    I'm not a "trenches are all that matter" guy but two DE and two OL could fortify our two most needy positions. Thanks to our multitude of picks we could still look at OLB, RB, S (if we aren't planning to sign #31 after 2011) twice in the 3rd round.
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    And I'll go back to the numbers question:

    Wilfork
    TWarren
    GWarren
    Wright
    Brace
    Pryor
    Deaderick
    Love
    Rookie
    Rookie
    Free Agent

    Which 7 do you want?
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    I just don`t see one I like in the first round. I like Kerrigan and Ayers at 17. I like OT there too, but there would seem to be 5-6 of similar skill slated to go between 15 and 35, so why take the first one at 17?

    If we go OLB at 17, I wouldn`t be surprised if we traded 32 or 33 for a 2011 first to try to load up again for a freak DE.
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    I'll take those seven, apologies to Gerard Warren who's given us a solid season but is older and a FA and Wright who is probably nearing the end, unfortunately.
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    I don't have names yet as it's still early in the process and not everyone has even decided if they're coming out. Heyward, Jordan, Ballard, Paea, Wilkerson, though, are some that interest me - in my scenario, though, the DE don't have to come in the first round, second round for, say Ballard and Wilkerson would work too especially if they find one (or two) OL like when they drafted Mankins of guys that might look like a bit of a reach but are a real good player. Unless some of our PS guys can play we seriously need an influx of OL talent.
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    I really dont think he'll be there at #25 after the post-season game/s and combine. IF that could work, however, i'd be thrilled to get my guy AND more picks in the same process. And i know you mean 2012 in most of those numbers! ;)
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    :) The best seven.
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    :)
    It seems very likely that the best if all are available and healthy consists of the four W's, Brace, Pryor and a rookie.

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    Kerrigan - 17
    JJ Watts - 32
    Gabe Carimi - 33

    That would make me happy.
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    TWarren
    Wright (if healthy)if not then GWarren
    Rookie
    Rookie

    Wilfork
    Brace
    Pryor/Love whoever plays better in camp

    Obviously dependent on the right players being available.

    There should be a lot of 5T Ends available next year also. Taking one high this year, and another next year is also an option. Keep GWarren and Wright this year with a rookie. Bring in another next year to take GWarrens spot.

    This years draft should be focused on DL and OL.
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    he may be too slow to play OLB. May be purely a 4-3 DE.

    No matter.

    Also it's likely rosters get expanded next year and they can have 8-9 DL.

    Also Wright is possibly out for a while, maybe forever. TWarren may not be back at 100% or at all.
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    I don't know what is too slow to play OLB for us.

    Vrabel was no speedster.
    Cunningham was recorded at 4.92 last year.
    Ninkovich came out with a 4.8 in the 40.
    Colvin had a 4.91 combine result.

    Recent guys featuring speed were Crable (4.64) and Adalius Thomas (4.5).

    Kerrigan, with his 12.5 sacks, could go very high in the draft if he tests in the 4.6 range. We should hope he registers a 4.8. Might enable him to drop a bit, and that seems fine for the Pats system.

    I am totally on board. I'd love to see Kerrigan drafted with the #17 pick. He would be a huge upgrade. I fear he will be gone before then.
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    I think the thing to look at is his 10-yard split for speed. Cunningham ran a 1.57 which is insane for a guy his size. Rosie was exceptionally explosive as well before he got Bo Jackson'd.

    I think Kerrigan seems to be a really good football player, but ultimately is more of a Sam than he is a Joker. The only piece missing after the d line is that athletic freak Joker.
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    First let me say that I love the idea of drafting Kerrigan.

    Kerrigan grades out very high as both a pass rush demon and run stuffer.

    He has the size to set the edge and anchor against most TE's in the league. He is very active with his hands which should allow him to win the hand slapping contest against most OT's not named Long, Thomas or Ferguson.

    He has dropped into coverage some and while it is not often a pretty sight, with proper coaching his technique should improve much like what Cunningham is going through now.

    My problem with Kerrigan at #17 is that BB drafts based on value. Is Kerrigan, a potential 3 down LBer, value at number 17?

    While most of us that watch Patriots football and see opposing QB's with 5 plus seconds to throw the football would say yes, but I don't think BB sees it that way.

    For #17 my first preferance is Dareus, but I think he is off the board by then. And given how some of the 4-3 teams in front of us need a DE pass rusher, I think Kerrigan is beginning to rise up draft boards much like Chris Long did a few years ago.
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