Discussion in 'Political Discussion' started by mikey, Oct 26, 2006.
The drug addict Limbaugh has no credibility.
Is this your "Villain Of The Day"???
A blowhard who no longer, if ever serves any purpose?
Rush is a goon. He's a party stooge. I just can't listen to idiots like Rush who blindly support one party regardless of the specific issue and criticize any opposition. Rush is a goon.
As for Fox, I saw his ad, pretty touchy. I know little about the amendment he is supporting, but it was tough to watch him bobbing as he talked. Anyhow, I was moved by it, although I no nothing about the issue. It seems that the issue is controvertial since a number of pro athletes and actors quickly posted an ad to counter Fox's. To me, for famous people to quickly counter a suffering, likeable man like Fox, says that maybe there is more there (with the issue) than the public was being led to believe.
I don't see what the big deal is. If you put yourself in the public forum by doing a political ad then you get reaction from both sides. Deal with it. If he didn't want to be attacked he shouldn't have made the ad. His choice. He was free to make the ad, others are free to comment on it. I've never seen the ad, I have no interest in some guy being on TV unable to control himself.
Regarding the issue, we in CA approved some monster multi Billion dollar Embronic Stem Cell research thing last year. Let's go, if this is really the cure all let's start seeing some actual results.
I've never seen you either but I think I have a pretty good idea . . .
Michael Fox is a big boy he knew what he was doing, if Michael wants to dance he has to pay the fiddler, politics is a nasty business.
(The democrats are using him just as they use Cindy Sheehan, they try to play the Sympathy Role)
Limbaugh was stupid, he jumped right into the "Sore Losers Trap" this new breed of democrat are a rotten bunch of bastards and they will do anything to win and destroy Bush.
Wake up Micahel, Skank Pelosi and her gang of haters are using you.
(Sorry, I couldn't resist.)
ANYONE who thinks what he said had any validity is a hater.
However....he is probably the expert on knowing when someone is taking medication or not.
Here is the Michael J. Fox ad.
Here is the counter ad done by stars Jim Caviezel, Kurt Warmer, the chic from Raymond, and Cardinals pitcher Jeff Suppan.
I'd be more in favor of voting for stem cell research after watching M. Fox and knowing others who have fallen to this devastating desease, then to listen to a right-wing christian (Kurt Warner) talk about science.
There is a difference between Michael J. Fox and Kurt Warner.
Michael J. Fox has the disease while Kurt Warner does not.
That is also the difference between Cindy Sheehan and Sean Hannity.
Cindy Sheehan lost her son in Iraq while Sean Hannity's children are alive.
It is easy to give an opinion if your life or the life of your children is not at stake.
What I would like to find out is what will Kurt Warner's reaction be if one of his children has an incurable cancer or is afflicted with Lou Gehrig disease.
Kurt Warner really is a gigantic bozo; but there is one good thing about him talking. Nobody can ever say that Sean Penn is the biggest celebro-moron in existence.
What I'm really glad about is that Kurt Warner was pissed off that we have to wait 15 years for a cure! Thanks Kurt for being patient.
Thats way too long....why should we even bother researching cures for deadly diseases...if its going to take almost 2 decades!
on the real:
I still think, to this day, that Willie McG knocked a few screws loose during the Pats superbowl victory.
If you think in terms of his career, it really is a long time. Its like 7 Warner careers altogether.
Thats what's wrong with this country. People see an ad and then make up their mind about an issue. Do you know the ins and outs of both arguements? Do you know what the amendment would mean exactly? Or are you acting on impulse, on an immidiate emotional tug? People need to educate themselves before making up their minds and voting. When I saw the MJ Fox ad I truly felt bad. It does tug at the heart. The next day when I read about, and saw the counter ad, I was interested in why fellow celebrities would be so quick to argue to the contrary. It made me want to learn more, and not cast an ignorant vote. I still don't know what the ramifications are of the amendment. All I know is that I would learn about them before I voted either way.
My brother has Multiple Sclerosis. He's a disabled vet to boot. My brother opposes stem cell research. Does that mean that everyone shouldn't vote for stem cell research?
See, whereas I understand, and truly feel for those who suffer, the answer isn't as simple as it seems. Just as I may be pro-life, I don't want people to show a shop-vac'd fetus and say this is abortion in the hopes it's outlawed. People need to learn all the facts, all the angles, and then they need to make up their mind. I want people to make informed, intelligent decisions. I'm relatively ignorant to the issue of Stem Cell research. Everytime I think I've got it down, some new study or politician makes a claim that confuses me. There clearly are ethical questions that need to be considered, but the potential benefits should also not be ignored.
Its like this: if you have no idea wtf you are talking about on a subject, it might be wise to avoid opening a debate on it. You are free to do so, but then you are also free to make an absolute idiot out of yourself.
Now, how many blastocysts were discarded today that may have saved lives if the chuckleheads weren't so anti-science? Probably 10,000 or more in fertility clinics all across the nation.
Quick Kurt, its time for you to go out and save all those babies before its too late!! Start petitioning to have in vitro fertilization banned permanently.
See how far that gets you.
What if it is your brother's child who has multiple sclerosis?
Would that change his mind?
a noticeable pattern by the Republican party when they are in trouble:
A) attack a guy with Parkinsons
B) Put on a racist ad in Tennessee
C) start rallying the troops on Same -sex marriage issue again, a winner in 2004.
like the true bully's they are. I wouldnt count on a Democratic victory just yet, as we learned in 1988 and 2004 they will say and do anything to find the worst common denominator in americans and tap into that to win elections, and it usually works.
Why don't you go stand arm and arm with your party brethren NARAL. Keep on stumping and voting for the baby killers, it makes your pro-life argument so credible
I am sure you stood up and appluaded when your boy Clinton vetoed partial-birth abortion.
Maybe you and your pro-death partyites can figure the difference between banning and funding, dumb *****!
I dunno, you'd have to ask him.
Hey, I hate loosers like Limbaugh, Coulter, Odorman, Maher, etc. But the second someone puts themself in a political ad, they are open to criticism. That's reality.
As for the ad in Tennessee, please explain what is racist about it? I heard about it on the radio while on the way home tonight.
I oppose gay marriage. I'd support civil unions.
have you seen the ad?
are you naive enough to think the lilly white blond whispering for Ford isnt a subtle attempt to tap into the southern feelings about such things? I lived in the south for a year, its real.
and Willie Horton wasnt race baiting either.
actually, im appalled by the Democrats support for abortion on demand and Clintons veto. You see, im not a party line toadie. both parties can be full of it, i just happen to see more eye to eye on Democrats on more issues. To me, the ONLY issue Republicans are right on over the Dems is abortion, but seeing as they dont do anything about it either, and when it comes right down to it, most Republicans only come out and droves when its about Gays, it doesnt tip the scales enough to offset where the Democrats are more palatable on helping others, striving for peace, caring about the environment, and being against the death penalty and for reasonable limits on guns.
but i agree, the abortion thing is very disturbing, and im very hopeful that the likes of Bob Casey and Barack Obama (while pro-choice, he is open to discuss spiritual matters) can someday help change the party's stance.
This deal with Fox is a classic example of one oof the things Coulter raised in her book.
Dem choose as a spokesman for an issue a 'designated victim', said victim is deemed by the dems and the MSM as being beyond criticism.
If said victim is challenged the critic is attacked for being 'insensistive towards the designated victim.
The fact is that Fox's ad were misleading at best and deliberate lies at worst.
His claim is that pubbies are against stem cell research. That is False. All pubbies I am aware of support Stem cell research, just not Embryonic Stem cell research. They support adult stem cell research. The ironic part is that experments with adult stem cells have yeilded viable treatments, while the only thing produced by embryonic stem cells is tumors.
I recall that when the debate about Federal funding for embryomic stem cell research was going on the proponents (inc Fox) were making a big deal about the 'breakthroughs' being made by a scientist in Korea (can't reacall his name currently). well the guy turned out to be a fraud.
My question is, Why the urgent need to fund ineffective, controversial research instead of spending the dollars in an area (adult stem cell0 this is produicing results and a great ROI?
If Fox wants to get in the political arena he is fair game, and so are his views. As to Limbaugh same thing. Of course no one is presenting Limbaugh as a victim of any sort.
I haven't seen the ad but that was the response I was hoping you would make. Some have said the ad is racist because Ford is black. That is dumb. I heard a guy on the radio explain that the woman was a blonde and that it was on purpose so as to get white people upset about it. I thought that was a very good point.
LOL on the Ford ad. I saw it on Chris Mathews' show a few days ago and was literally stunned when they started talking about it in a racial context. I expected them to rail on negative ads, etc, but there was no racial piece to it IMO.
If someone were rascist enough to get upset by the ad having a white woman calling Ford, they weren't going to vote for a black man anyway. It is funny the MSM aren't applying the same standards to the race baiting going on in Maryland against M Steele.
Excellent post. Good points. The South Korean doctor you speak of was Hwang Woo-suk. He's being indicted.
As much as I dislike Coulter, that is one point I heard her make one time that did make sense. It was when she blasted the 9/11 wives and got ripped for it. I thought she was over the top in her criticism of the wives, but the basis of her argument was valid. That once you enter the political spectrum and criticize in the name of politics, you are then open to the same criticism. I agree with that.
Where I think Rush is right in questioning MJF's antics in relation to having taken his medication, I do not agree with Rush mimicking (spelling?) the mans physical effects of the disease. That's tasteless. But then again, it's Rush we're talking about, so should we be surprised?
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