Discussion in 'Political Discussion' started by Patters, Nov 7, 2013.
I kept trying to keep that one straight ... I failed.
You made a valiant attempt, Icy. The overall mindset wasn't about to be swayed.
Too many people who, since they couldn't be right, were bound and determined to be obnoxious instead.
Looks are very relevant when discussing a persons candidacy ...
So PR the question becomes what is allowed and what is not...
Nobody here wants more rules ... me included.
However ... looks have nothing to do with policy ... so us mods have to try to apply judgement. I am sure we won't please everybody but an attempt must be made IMO.
so when Christie is running and we are talking about his appeal then his weight is very relevant. if we are talking about Christie's economic or foreign policy then his weight should not be in any part of that discussion and the same for Clinton.
We could discuss this all day long and have 10 different opinions.
In the end ... we try to keep it all wrapped up a bit tidy so any guests who may visit here don't go lambasting Ian for obvious racism, prejudice, misogyny, misandry and all the rest. In the old days he got some of those emails ... I don't think he gets them anymore or at least if he does neither I nor Patters is aware of them.
I hope that explains it ... there is no absolute solution to this topic because we are all adults here ... nobody wants a mod looking over their shoulder all the time - that's petty. We have to be somewhat free to express ourselves while at the same time keep Ian happy ... this is the balance the forum seeks. Leave the hardcore angry political commentary to the dedicated political websites ... we are a football dominated forum this is more like a club as Patters like to say.
I wonder if Christie goes to the movies?
It is difficult to have intelligent conversation when you qualify political people by their teeth, or if they are overweight... or even bastardize a politicians name to prove a point.
If you want civility on this board, is it unreasonable to expect basic respect for everyone who is mentioned?? Unfortunately, name calling has become expected and the norm... and things go downhill from there. Limbaugh made this acceptable/fashionable in politics and it has steadily gone downhill.....
This is particularly true of any female politician...
The mirror thing ..........
I could never match or come even close to the insulting degrading things said right on this forum a few years ago about two people "Sarah Palin & GW Bush"
Watch what Christie gets if he starts to be a real threat to them-----:singing:
Thanks for your situational diligence, we are all better for your insight.
As opposed to situational indignation?
Like I keep saying ... this is our forum and it's only as good as the members who take the time to come here and post their opinions. IMO ... if someone wants to air an opinion here or complain here please feel free to do here as long as the mods don't get bashed ... keep it civil.
But if someone comes to complain about something they do themselves ... kind of leaves me :confused4:.
We're not perfect ... the rules are not perfect ... we post stuff that is not perfect ... whatever that's why it's called discussion - nobody here is posting law briefs or scientific papers. Members have left due to infighting ... Ian hates to see Patriot fans leave due to fighting ... thus the rules.
I truly believe that if every member who comes here to post keeps Ian's desire of civil conversation in their mind ... we would not need any rules IMO. Ian put the rules in place for the times where a member is not in a civil discussion state of mind. If a thread really angers a member ... IMO ... best not to post in it or if you do accept the risk that goes with posting while angered.
I agree about not posting when your angry, when I first came here Nem and I were fighting, I had to get up and go into another room, I took my gun out of the drawer and shot my cat, after I buried the cat I calmed down and returned, Nem and I became friends.
Just a reminder ...
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Free speech will be vigorously defended except in those cases where posted content violates forum rules. There is no greater insult in a forum where one member wishes to surpress the opinions of others. Threads that anger members can either be ignored or refuted. The OP of a thread shall be protected from personal attack at all times.
As always feel free to PM a mod if you feel we have missed or neglected to protect that right ... some days like all members here we get busy with work and it's hard to get to all posts in threads in the forum .
She does suffer from the same ailment as McCain had in 2008: being the oldest potential entering President in history. I remember many liberal friends making a big deal about McCain being over seventy during that election. I'll be curious to see if there concerns about age miraculously disappear in 2016.
Analysis: Age an issue in the 2008 campaign? - CNN.com
I doubt they will....nor should they. Nor should any health concern (McCain's skin cancers or Hillary's blood clots) be ignored. But age and health are different than looks and appearance - and the manner in which they are addressed will be key.
There's a difference between saying, "Hillary's the oldest potential president in history," and "The donkey braying old bat," just like there's a difference between saying, "Chris Christie is morbidly obese," and "Chris Christie is a fata$$ piece of *****."
Politicians are always affected by looks, it is part of the game these days.
S Forbes for example was ridiculed for being a geeky nerdy looking guy.
The personalities and appearance make a difference. Obama who was unqualified and has proven to be incompetent was elected on the basis of personality and looks.
I want a complete list of derogatory names for Bush - Democratic Underground
Can we please put an end to the generalization attacks? At this point I'm guilty of it as well as a form of retaliation but I'm tired of every thread turning into well this all happens because liberals\conservatives suck and that doesn't even get into the attacks on "progressives". It's an ad hominen attack plan and simple.
I'm a libertarian who's socially liberal and fiscally conservative so I don't even fit into a libeal or conservative box.
RI Phelphs Fan should have been banned for calling "progressives" worse than the WBC. Since that point it's gotten a lot worse around here. The forum has turned into trash where no topic is discussed on merit.
Everlong, I don't think it's really possible to ban political viewpoints in a political forum. While it's true there's a lot of hyperbole at times, it someone wants to believe that conservatives are racists or that liberals are socialists, is it really any worse than thinking that Jets fans are losers or calling them the Jests? That said, we do try to close threads that become nothing but sniping and will on occasion delete a post or two that is only intended to taunt and bait. We're open to discussing this, but it's sort of slippery slope to ban generalizations about political points of view in a political forum.
I understand you're stuck to a point but there's hardly ever a debate on merit these days. For the record I wish the "Jets Suck" thread would go away. Although we disagree I thought the discourse on Eich was a good debate where there was none of the name calling or labeling. When a person starts wtih the "typical liberal\conservative" responses it's because they can't back up their argument and shouldn't be in the debate to begin with.
Im with you everlong.....the lastest thread by the Mrs on Donald Sterling is a perfect example.
I do find the irony of a bunch of white people bickering at each other about racism to be fairly hilarious.
Hey Patters whens the new Mod coming in here?...this place needs a spring cleaning like you read about.
I'd volunteer to be one but people will hate me as a mod...while I would be fair, 90% of the shit down here would vanish like a fart in the wind.
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