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As someone that has seen extensive time on the D-Line, I'm a huge fan of the modified crackback block rule.
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This is absurd...why don't they just wear flags already
I hate this mentality.
We can have a game of football that is fun and compelling to watch while also mitigating injuries to the players.
Let's hold ourselves to a higher standard than Rome or some ****.
PLAYOFF OT RULES in REGULAR SEASON = MORE TIES
Do you remember the first time the rule was used?
Let's not kid ourselves we're fanatics, there's nothing high brow about it.
We pay money to watch modern day gladiators get as strong and fast as they possibly can and then run into eachother as hard and fast as they can.
If you want to hold yourself to a "higher standard" i'd suggest golf. Not the most brutal sport on the earth where you have to wear something on your head to keep yourself from being MURDERED by another human being.
Psst...there are plenty of sports where you win by beating the other guy up so badly that he can't get up off the floor. In football, you win by scheming 11 men to work together moving a ball up and down the field.
Obviously, it's a hard contact sport, but I'm not at all convinced that the brutal, gladiatorial spectacle is the game's be-all and end-all appeal as you suggest. (If it were, wouldn't defensive linemen be bigger stars than QBs and WRs?)
Sure, so let's give them nunchucks because it's a violent sport. Football has to find a happy medium to both make it enjoyable to watch and to reduce injuries, these are real people playing, not robots. Preventing cheap hits (a good thing) isn't the same as eliminating all of the violence from the game (a bad thing). I'm disappointed the horsecollar rule didn't pass. About the only proposal I didn't like this year was moving reviews to the booth. The ref should have final say.
Yeah, so there's strategy, doesn't make it any less violent. I'm sure gladiators had strategies on what would be the best way to KILL their opponent.
Commanders in wars have strategies as well, people still die. Are you honestly trying to tell me that because there's strategy involved it's suddenly less low brow and violent?
I think you need to come to grips with it, you like, and participate in something beastly to it's very core. Come to grips, we are animals. We may be the smartest of all animals but we're still animals.
Real people that are paid like unreal people. What's the lowest amount you can make, $300,000, to play a game on Sundays?
You have to accept going in that you might not come out as pristine as you went in. Same thing as going to the military only the odds are better that you wont die and you get paid WAY more.
But sure, i'm ok with getting rid of cheap shots, we just have to make it uniform all the way around, none of these ticky tack judgement calls.
It doesn't matter how much money you've made if you're 40 and suffering from severe depression from years of concussions. Health problems don't discriminate between rich and poor, except that rich can sometimes get better treatment (though we know so little about the brain that treatment can often be very underwhelming).
I understand that players accept a certain risk. They can choose to play or not, but also you can choose to watch or not. If the game is getting too soft for you, nobody's stopping you from doing something else on Sunday. The NFL will still have plenty of fans without you (or me). There's nothing "ticky tack" about crackback blocks, it's actually an easy penalty to recognize.
And the military example is just irrelevant. That's for the common good and we (and more importantly, the people volunteering) accept that their service in defense of their country could actually kill them. Nobody should die from playing football.
I'm honestly trying to tell you that there's a difference between a sport where the objective is physical injury, and a sport where physical injury is an inevitable side effect for some participants.
You claimed that American football is:
I disagreed with your reasoning. First off, a great many sports require protective headgear. If, as you say, protective gear requirements are a sign of brutality, then does the incredible violence of rugby, with its high injury rates, somehow not count? Is bare-knuckle boxing less brutal than boxing with gloves?
In your response, you suggested that death rate instead is the true marker of brutality. In that case, pole vaulting and surfing are far, far more brutal than, say, peaceable kickboxing.
I've never claimed that tackle football isn't violent, that would be silly. I'm just saying that unlike gladiator fights, football's objective isn't injury -- and that matters enormously in how you structure the rules.
I think you're arguing just to argue at this point. I never said anything about a death rate, i never suggested that because they wear helmets it's more violent than if it they didn't.
I'm saying without that head gear the things they're doing WOULD kill one another. In rugby, boxing, UFC, no one dies (mostly).
In boxing you fight with someone your size, in football a 150 pound human being could be crushed by a 300 behemoth that runs as fast as high school track runner.
IT IS quite literally the MOST violent sport. It's a fact.
If you write back please don't send a semantic filled retort putting words in my mouth that i never said. Thank you.
I think they doubled down on stupid when it comes to both the overtime and the turnover rules, and I think they came up short on the end zone rule. The other rules seem alright to me, although I see a potential problem with the loss of down on a kicked ball rule.
Football isn't the most violent sport on earth by a long shot. That's just ridiculous.
As a side point, six boxers have died in the ring in the last five years.
Also, using "they wear helmets and pads" as an example of what makes the sport more brutal, rather than less... yeah, that's a fail.
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