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  1. Pujo

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    -No more forceout rule. A receiver who's force out will not get the catch unless he is literally carried out of bounds.

    -No more 5 yard facemasks. 15 or nothing.

    -Team winning a coin toss can now defer their choice until the second half.

    -A direct snap from the center that doesn't touch the QB is now a live ball (just like a shotgun snap). Previously it was a false start.

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    The facemask thing is a little strange. Are we going to seethe equivilant of RB's "flopping" like we see NBA players do?
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    I dont like the face mask change, so there saying even the smallest of a face mask incidental or not warrants a possible game changing 15 yard penality?

    Also, I HATE the force out change, how can you be expected to catch the ball and keep your feet in bounds if the defender has the easy option of just pushing you out?

    That is not only stupid but now a HUGE advantage for the defense. I dont like that one at all.
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    The forceout one is a little odd and aids the D way too much. Atleast give the reciever a chance to earn his pay and make the play.
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    accually if you grab the facemask let go (which is what the 5 yard pently was) is not going to be called at all only if you grab and twist.
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    This wasn't already a rule?

    Probally already been explained before - but can someone elaborate?
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    Nope. We've had many lively debates on this. The NFL's rule was very convoluted, but what it came down to was that you could not defer. You had to choose to receive or kick, essentially.

    The end of the 5 yard facemask rule is welcome, but I'm not sure about the forceout. Seems open to abuse. On the other hand, penalizing incidental facemasks seemed pedantic, and I'm glad it's been done away with.
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    So technically the following can happen?

    Winner: Defer
    Loser: Recieve

    Winner: Kickoff (Chose to)
    Loser: Recieve again
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    Correctamundo!!
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    I think a lot of teams will defer just ot have the ball in the second half of the game.
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    That push out rule is going to cause some injuries, I have a feeling.
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    I've never felt like the force out rule was causing any problems, I wonder why they decided to change it. I really dont understand how this is going to work, the DBs will just heave any reciever OB when they are anywhere near the sideline on a catch.
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    Wait, what does defering actually do? Does it mean the other team picks? Or does it mean they decide in the second half? If so, how is it decided who gets to kickoff if the team defers?
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    If I'm a defender who finds a little facemask during a tackle, I now have no incentive whatsoever to let go. And if they were going to change the force-out rule, they should have made it reviewable.
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    It means the other team picks, so presumabely you get to pick the goalline you're going towards instead of posession.
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    If a player catches the ball in the middle of the field and is then caught and carried off the field by a defender without having both his feet hit the ground - he won't get credit for a catch.

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    WAIT!!!,

    If a direct snap from cener that does NOT touch the QB is now considered a live ball, does that mean that, say in very short down situations, the center could fake the snap and plow ahead with the ball???????

    Am I misunderstanding this?

    Respects,
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    I don't like the defensive speaker in the helmet. I'd just as soon not have any electronics. What's wrong with hand signals and QBs with brains.

    The no forceout rule is just awful. What problem were they trying to correct here?

    Pretty much any receiver within ten yards of the sideline is going to be a target of a safety missile.

    What the hell are they thinking?

    They said incidental facemask just won't be called. I'm cool with that.
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    If you let go, it might be no penalty. Hold on and you've got 15.
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