Discussion in 'Political Discussion' started by All_Around_Brown, Dec 30, 2005.
Raise taxes, kill those who disagree with you, and goverment run social programs, nazi's sound a lot like democrats.
So, you like your treasonous puppet master Rove? Me too. I like how he viciously and shamelessly smeared veterans like McCain, Cleeland, and Kerry just to get a draft dodger into the Oval Office. I like how he outed a CIA operative for political spite. I like his investments in Enron and his buddy Ken Lay who scammed millions of people. Don't you like that about him too?
No but why should I want to have people in office like Cleeland and Kerry just because they are war veterans? Their economic and social policies are vile to me, hey thanks for your service, go enjoy a beer, but don't turn our country in to socialist europe.
Sorry I happen to believe that Wilson and Plame are the modern day Julius and Ethel. I believe Joe Wilson is a liar, and you disagree because people not knowing he is a liar helps your side politically.
Obviously he knows what he is doing because he got a "baboon" re-elected, while eggheads like Joe Trippy, George Soros and others so called "brains" can't get an eskimo elected in Alaska. Maybe it is their ideology.
So, you feel that any slime and smear goes during political campaigns. Nothing is off limits. You are glad he spread lies about these veterans. That's a good thing to you. Thats your brand of politician. Anything goes. McCain fathered an illegitimate black child. Cleeland was so dumb he pulled a pin on his own grenade and dropped it. Kerry shot himself.
These are the political tactics you savor, but you consistently get all bent out of shape when the truth of the matters are presented to you in no uncertain terms.
It is clear from your response that you would rather see those you disagree with shamelessly slimed then allow a reasoned debate on issues.
That is both disgraceful and disgusting, but it explains alot about you. You've been exposed as a true reich winger. No ditch is too deep for your brand of politics. Veterans and other patriotic americans beware...this PFEIL guy will slime you and you will never stand a chance to defend yourself. Thats his type of politics. He loves to hate.
Chicken Hawks don't usually make good Presidents during war...
Chicken Hawks are good for sending other people kids off to die for a lie though. I think we will find that in our history books...probably in the next edition.
Rove, Bush and the rest of the crew rely upon thier "Warrior Experience" which has proven invaluable in planning for this thing going on in Iraq. Perhaps Rush, oops!! he avoided the draft or O'Reilly who also avoided the draft also, could provide some of their warrior experience also.
McCain, Kerry and Cleeland all went to war, did not avoid the draft and somehow they are shunned for their service, all the while this administration pays lip service to themselves who never experienced war.
ahem...blast from the past
Why are you a vet?
just for the record, in case anyone was misled by the smokescreen above, Joe Wilson lied about NOTHING concerning Niger, nor the vindictive attempts by the administration to smear him...
HE lied about who requested he go.
no, he didn't...
Rove, Cheney, Bush, the CI friggin A, and the media all lied about the reasons to go into Iraq. Anyone who, at this point, backs these draft-dodging cowards needs to STFU right now!
Well he said when he wrote the NYT Editorial that Cheney requested he go to Iraq. This is false, his wife suggested he go before Cheney was briefed about the allegations Iraq was attempting to get Uranium from Niger.
This was revealed in documents entered into the record during the Libby trial.
Lets all be real....
Cheney tried to sucker punch Joe Wilson for messing with his plan. It backfired, because of the fact that his wife was infact....undercover.
Joe Wilson gets obviously PI$$ED....he THEN becomes the bigmouth that Rove-Cheney & Co. can exploit to the FOXnooz generation as an anti-american grade A Jerk, who undermines the troops, and the mission for victory.
Rove, Cheney, and Bush are guilty of a crime, and everyone knows it. The crime is treason. You people getting all upset about this are the same people who were screaming for bill clinton's blood when he lied about a B J. This is much, much worse.
Actually if you looked at the time and source data the Wilson's (along with others like Mary McCarthy sucker pundhed the administration. The Senate committee concluded that Wilson's trip did show that Iraq tried but was rebuffed) to get Uranium from Niger.
Patsfans13...I'm afraid you are mistaken regarding the supposed Wilson lie. Cheney directed the CIA to look into the Niger incident. Plame, at the behest of the CIA, offered her husband to go as he was seasoned in these affairs.
This is the series of events that has been revealed by the trial. You are really reaching if you make the leap that Plame sent her husband on this mission for a political spite. The CIA was requested to follow up. As Plame worked in counterproliferation, it makes sense that she would be involved, as would her husband.
Is this really the extent of your case against Wilson? That he lied about who sent him?? If so, you are on some really shaky grounds.
No mistake here the information documenting this was entered into evidence in the Libby trial last week. From an article by Byron York.
So this Document shows that Plame proposed sending her hubby BEFORWE Cheney was briefed on the possibility of Iraq seeking or obtaining Uranium from Niger.
The article cites other documents that are time stamped, I would urge you to review it.
Seems like the actual timing may be splitting hairs just a bit. So, I guess he did lie about how he was sent, by whom, or under what chain of events, at least according to the defense. So the CIA requested him to go before Cheney was briefed, if thats exactly what I am reading there. Wow, Im sure thats pretty serious, but how?
Libbys the accused liar at this point. Not Wilson. Wilson will testify in time, in his case against Cheney. Then we can all judge how honest he is.
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