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  1. fumbrunner

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    I'd be very happy with those two.

    After that, grab Danny Watkins, Brooks Reed, a better nickel CB and another RB and I'm good to go.
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    If Mallett does indeed fall out of the 1st round (as his prediction) the Pats will get a great deal for that 33rd pick.
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    Sherrod is my favorite OT in the draft, but I wouldn't want an OT at 17. Now if we went Aldon Smith to go along with Heyward ... that would be a thing of beauty ...
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    If Smith actually fell to #17, I certainly wouldn't object. Not sure how far UP I'd trade to get him though.
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    Seriously, the rest of the league must have groaned when they saw that the Pats were guaranteed the #33 pick. :D
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    I think Evan Silva is just a tad too giddy over Heyward. He thinks Heyward would be the best DE on the Patriots roster from day one.
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    Heyward is being massively overrated.
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    I've seen Heyward compared to Tyson Jackson on more than 1 occasion. Jackson was clearly a reach in the top 5. But I'm guessing Heyward goes in the 1st round.


    On a separate note, whoever is doing this mock is obviously making the assumption that the Pats are going to sign Woodley and let go of Light/Mankins.
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    Heyward has been remarkably inconsistent as a senior. I'd be much happier with Jordan, Clayborn or Watt.
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    I'm just happy as can be we have the 17th pick. There has got to be 20 players I like to improve this team there. Jordan being my favorite as well:)
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    If we don't re-sign Light, I'm fine with an OT and a DE, although at this point I think that I would choose Jordan and Carimi.
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    Does anyone in his right mind want to invest a Round 1 pick, at 18 or 28 or even 33 in a DE who just six weeks ago had Tommy John surgery?

    No matter how good the players prior performance -- post-surgery the player is a "show-me story". Perhaps a third round flier, if that. I would take him off my board for the first two days.
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    I'm not a big fan of Sherrod for the Pats. I know he has he athletic ability, but I'm not sure he has the killer instinct a Pats OL needs to have.

    Heyward could work, but is a bit undersized. BB would have to really believe in his ability to contribute to this team.
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    How has he been inconsistent?
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    Heyward is 6'5"+ (I've seen him listed at 6'6") and 288 (I've seen him listed at 290). I've seen much shorter guys who are not much heavier being flogged as "THE answer" for the Pats at DE.
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    Heyward is a little undersized horizontally, but that's the kind of thing that can be fixed. Not like somebody like Adrian Clayborn, who doesn't really have the frame to add enough weight to play OLB.

    Heyward regularly disappeared in games this past season. A lot of people like to cite his dominant performance at the bowl game as to why he'd be a good fit. Well, if he's that good, where was he the rest of the season?
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    Is this is a typo? I'm sure you meant DE. Because he is listed at 286. If anything he would have to shed weight to play OLB.

    So if he was 290 is that enough weight to play DE? I'm thinking he will weigh in lighter in the 280 range because I do not think he is 286. You think his frame can't put on 10 pounds?

    I would not be suprised if certain players are gone if he is a Patriot come draft day. I have a few players I like better, but not many.
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    Oops, yep! DE, not OLB.

    Ideal weight is over 300, but players who lack length like him usually need extra bulk to hold up. A perfect example is Ron Brace, who is 6-3, but 330 pounds, and GWarren, who is a shade under 6-4, but also 330. For Heyward, who is right around 6-6, anything over 300 or so should be plenty, given the extra length.
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    I can't believe the Raiders went 8-8... C'mon SD, DEN, KC...
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    I've heard this before. I'm just wondering - which games? and - how did he "disappear"?
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    I don't think this is necessary. Shawn Ellis is about 6'4 and a half, and was in the 280s when he was drafted. He plays around 290 ish. Seymour was about 10-15 pounds heavier, but was also over 6'6. Jarvis Green was undersized - 6'3" and 275. Add 2 inches and 15 pounds to Jarvis and you get a full time player who can get to the QB.

    There are a couple of guys who fit that profile in this year's draft - Cameron Jodran, JJ Watt, Calyborn, and Heyward. Watt has a major question mark as to how much he actually weighs and his functional strength. Clayborn may be undersized in all phases. Heyward is not as good a pass rusher as the other 3. So Jordan, to me, is the #1 DE prospect.
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    My thoughts exactly...well kind of exactly. I like Sherrod, but at #17 that seems like a move out of desperation. There's a lot of front-seven talent available at that spot which would be tough to pass over.
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    there are plenty of players under 300lbs who are predicted to be a good fit in the Pats DE mold, but what we've seen over the years is the Pats actually getting bigger at the position if anything. The undersized guys like Green or Wright were more projects for BB that panned out. I can't seem him taking a project in the first couple rounds (ie heyward).
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    christian ballard showed well at the senior bowl both during the week of practice and the game. some people don't like him, but he's big (6'5"/297), mobile (4.85) and plays pretty hard

    the there's mohammed wilkerson.......also big and aggressive and will likely be a 3rd or 4th rounder due to being a bit raw......he does have the ability to be a 3 down DL
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    I think an OT in round 1 would be the right choice. Solder would be my first choice and I would take him if he was there at #17, otherwise, I would consider jjwatt if his size/weight numbers are real and he shows decent strength at the combine. Ideally, I would like the pats to pull the strings to get both of these guys though I think solder is more important.

    I would have no problem with the pats using #28 or #33 on a guy like leshoure......lets face it, green-ellis and woodhead outperformed expectation, but this group needs help in a major way.

    leshoure gives you everything........great size/speed combo, can catch the ball out of the backfield, and is great in pass pro. for the first time, brady could have a full-time type of back which allows him to call any play run or pass effectively and not have to juggle green-ellis and woodhead situationally
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    There are mock drafts with Wilkerson in the late 1st/early 2nd. Any new info that drops him that late?

    The one thing that has to be remembered is that it's very rare to find a finished product in the draft. I think we tend to forget the maturation process of Wilfork and Warren.

    It's also worth remembering Wrong Borges and his opinion on Seymour 2001.( A poster does have the quote in his posting)

    It seems motor, football IQ, height and expected playing weight are the best focus areas.

    If all these guys were polished NFL starters, they would most likely be in the league.
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    1a - OT solder
    1b - RB leshoure
    2a - OG mike pouncey
    2b - LB martez wilson
    3a - DL mohammed wilkerson
    3b - LB KJ wright
    4 - LB brooks reed
    5 - DL jarvis jenkins
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    as far as I know and have seen, wilkerson is expected to be a 3rd rounder. if he moves up, take him in the 2nd round
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    I like it. It just seems to much of a risk to wait on Wilkerson in the 3rd round. If he is picked earlierwho is our DE? Btw I do predict his size, speed and pass rush ability put him on BB's radar. Maybe even at 2a. He has been known to pick players he likes earlier than some would expect via Mankins and Vollmer.
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