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Ross Tucker traded to Cleveland for '07 conditional draft pick

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  1. pats1

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    http://clevelandbrowns.com/news_room/news/arts/5586.0.html

    Surprised this hasn't broken anywhere else except for the Browns' website and KFFL.
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    Nice, pick up a conditional pick (which will end up being a late rounder since Tucker will most likely play all the team's games) for a guy who might not have even made the team.
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    Hallen had issues when he was with the Pats also. He left the Pats camp ('04 I think).
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    ESPN/AP is confirming:

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2543864&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines

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    2004 indeed.

    So the Browns lost Bentley for the season, then they signed Todd Washington who retired shortly thereafter, now Hallen is having his doubts.

    Hope Tucker is not the next victim.
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    Guess we'll never get a clear answer to the Tucker/Mruczkowski saga. We could perhaps get a feel if we knew which one Cleveland initially bid for...
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    Hey...and have the Pats seen their customary OL retirement the past two training camps? It turns out it was Romeo's personal curse!
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    This brings the Pats back down to 78 players, or 2 under the limit.

    ---------------

    92 total

    -1 Did Not Report (Branch)

    -1 Reserve/Left Camp (McGrew)

    -2 Injured Reserve (Mitchell, Shelton)

    =88

    -9 NFLE Exemptions (Mortensen, Charles, Steitz, Henry, Musinski, Z. Smith, Freeman, Ventrone, Spann)

    -1 Bonus Exemption (Jackson)

    ---------------

    =78
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    Dan Stevenson is making this team I'm willing to bet now.
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    His chances just improved, yes. Still far from a lock.

    (Then again, his chances took a hit when Koppen came back. They'll take another once Kaczur returns).

    The Pats will likely only carry two backup interior linemen, and Hoch and Mruc look to be the clear frontrunners for those.
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    Still no Reiss report!
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    As one who has had very very big hopes for Tucker ... and wondered plaintively in these pages
    whether anyone had seen him do ANYTHING at camp ...
    i can live happily with Mruc.

    Mruc is an Andruzzi ... waiting to happen.

    ps, patchick - yes, Romeo's personal curse ... brilliant !
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    Reiss has his report up:

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    What am I missing here? How does a guy start 12 games but only play in 5?????
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    whats the highest we can get if he plays all 16 games?
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    Flip-flopped.
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    PFT:

    http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

    The Browns' center position is henceforth dubbed "The Black Hole."
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    Didn't Hallen retire on us and then renege and go play with the Vikings?
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    I thought that Hallen was one of the last cuts before the start of the '04 season. Was Mruc also cut, or did he make the 53?
    If anyone can remember what exactly happened two years ago, please let us know.
    Now Tucker is gone, helping Mruc's chances, again.
    I would be very surprised if the Browns' 1st choice was Mruc.
    I would be very disappointed if the pats' 1st choice to trade was Tucker.
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    it seems like most in here would take mruc over stevenson
    what makes u feel that way
    other than the experience factor
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    Mruc has very little chance to make the team. He was only on the shadow roster last year, finally making the team for good when Koppen got hurt. We didn't lose any G/C that were on the 53 last year and added Stevenson (O'Callaghan will almost certainly replace Ashworth's roster spot at T) so Mruc has a very big hill to climb with Stevenson in play now too.
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    And it was a fine sail other than the iceberg.

    Mruc has spent two years learning to be a backup center and guard. It is indeed experience that makes him more valuable than Stevenson, who could spend a year or two on the Practice Squad.

    Light,Mankins,Koppen,Neal,Gorin
    Hochstein,O'Callaghan

    On the other hand, given this group of seven (plus Kaycur), we can afford a developmental #9 OL. The #8 is Kaycur's OT spot.








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    We aren't going to be able to just shove every pick we want to the PS. You don't think a team like the Browns would claim Stevenson in a second ? Stevenson would only get cut for one reason - that's if he looks bad in camp and preseason. It won't be because a journeyman like Mruc beats him out.
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    Good Points, so which OL will be IR'd? ;)
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    It will. I know Stevenson can play some center, but Mruczkowski is experienced at both C and G.

    He was ahead of both Yates and Tucker last year. There were times when Mankins needed a breather or shifted over to LT when Mruczkowski came in at LG. He performed impressively.

    Just because Stevenson is a rookie doesn't mean he unseats someone who has been learning the Pats' system for the last 3 years and has seen an increasing role. Beioli will take the player they feel better compliments the team. A rookie, especially a low-rounder like Stevenson, isn't going to get a free pass to the roster. He'll have to work just as hard as Mruczkowski, and perform better than Mruzckowski to get on the roster.

    (And I wouldn't really call Mruczkowski a journeyman. The only team he's ever been on is NE - since 2003. He graduated from the shadow roster last year, and he hasn't done anything to earn a demotion.)
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    I don't think Mruczkowski had any trade value at all.

    I hope you spelled it right cause copy and paste is the only way I'm attempting that.
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    As was asked earlier, what sort of a pick do we stand to potentially get out of this?
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    No idea. But my guess is thta it will be a 6th/7th if he makes the team, nothing if he doesn't.

    The question I have is: why aren't these sort of things disclosed ?
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    'Cuz it's conditional!

    That means if condition A is met, outcome A results... I have no idea what the conditions are (his playing time, the Browns' success, etc.,) or whether there is only a certain set of conditions eligible for consideration, but my guess is this is a contractual agreement between two parties on compensation for the rights the player. As such, if they want to agree to make a certain outcome conditional on the player singing "Danny Boy" every game on the sidelines, that is the right of the respective teams who make the agreement.

    PFnV

    edited to say: just re-read your comment, so obviously you knew that... I have no idea why BB/SP would choose not to disclose info they're not obligated to disclose -- it's even possible the player isn't absolutely needed to know this information. Something tells me, though, that BB (read as BB/SP) subscribes to the theory that any intelligence can be of value, and that if he does not gain something by disclosing it the default position is he's giving away something of value for free.
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    I understand what conditional means, and in the NFL if typically (although not always) means conditional on the guy making the roster. I guess my question really is why can't they disclose what the pick *could* beif the conditions are met ?


    Something like: The Cleveland Browns acquired Center Ross Tucker from the New England Patriots for a Conditional Sixth Round draft choice in 2007.

    It could be further disclosed that the pick could be anywhere from nothing to a sixth rounder.

    In other transactions it does get reported. For example, when Terry Glenn was traded to GB the compensation was conditional based on how many catches he had.

    So what's the big mystery with Ross Tucker ? What advantage/disadvantage does a team garner from not disclosing the terms of the deal ?


    EDIT: Just read your edit...
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