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  1. convertedpatsfan

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    Rookie Revenge: full guarantees | National Football Post

    Interesting article on why Solder isn't signed.

    Basically, the Bucs guaranteed the entire 4-year contract of the 20th player, Adrian Clayborn. Every player ahead now wants all 4 years guaranteed as well. Kerrigan at 16 also has his deal guaranteed, so the 3 players in-between (including Solder) want the same.
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    Looks like he won't be getting to camp any time soon. If the 3 teams cave and fully guarantee their contracts it will set the precedent for the remaining duration of the CBA. Well done Bucs!
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    Matt Light is the starter at LT. Not a concern for mine.
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    Of course as a rookie on the Patriots, that's just what I want to start my career, to get on BB's sh!t list.
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    Do you have the feeling that BB knew what he was doing re-signing Matt?

    Hate to see the rookie miss all of camp tho......He''ll end up having a red shirted year........
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    Would you really sacrifice a spell on this team this year for a fourth guaranteed year, would be crazy in my mind.
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    Agents have been scrambling for an edge under the new CBA. Some of the newer GM's have given them one or two. A couple of teams also skimmed money off the backend draft allotments to max out their top tier guys. All of which will make for delayed signings again next season despite the streamlined new system. Solder changed agents several weeks ago, I believe to Lights agent. Will be interesting to see what 18 and 19 got guaranteed. One of them is Castonozo, and his deal just got done after Polian went public that there was no way he was guaranteeing 4 years for a rookie (who needs to be Manning's starting blindside protector out of the gate since they lost Charlie Johnson to Minnesota in FA and Ugoh was a bust).

    Bad enough these kids all missed an offseason due to the lockout. Agents are never in it for the long haul. Three years in teams will be deciding on whether or not to exercise the 5th year guaranteed option on these kids for the average of the top 20 or so players at their position. I wonder how many from this class will be in position to warrant that after disappointing rookie season performances.
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    Considering the amount of money the team threw at Light, the amount (risk adjusted) by which they differ from Solder seems small by comparison.
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    Holding out, particularly in this condensed season, is not a good thing for a left tackle. Solder will be far behind the rest of the crew, and as good as he looks.. he does not know the playbook or the NFL.
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    All the more reason to have your entire contract guaranteed.
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    I really thought Nate Solder was smarter than this. Much smarter. I sure hope I wasnt dead wrong.
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    So far, Solder's off to a terrible start. This is suuuuuch a stupid, short-sighted move. Not only is he WAY behind the curve, but now he's got jerky fans like me who have an irrational HATE for him. Bad move, kid. F you. Thanks for WASTING your rookie year.
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    What, why? Because he's not going to play?
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    Not at the rates for which these first rounders are being signed. Dead cap is always sunk cost if the player isn't working out. In the case of these guys the sunk cost/dead cap ramification isn't ever going to be enough to preclude a team moving on.
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    Why would the Pats want to give that much guaranteed money to a guy who will give them less and less value as each day passes?

    Why would they pay him the same no matter how good or bad his performance is? So if Solder is a turnstile gets TFB killed or if he performs like Anthony Munoz 2.0 he should make the same amount of money?

    He's an absolute idiot to be pulling this kind of nonsense, he doesnt have the kind of talent to be demanding this nonsense just because another team is stupid enough to do it.
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    Right on the money. And what's so frustrating is that it's really much ado about NOTHING. When you consider what he might lose,. essentially his entire rookie season, versus what he's gaining in the short term its, positively ridiculous. He has given up the chance to at least compete for a starter's job THIS season for a money he is Very likely to make anyway, 4 years from now. :rolleyes: Who is advising this kid anywhow....Charley Sheen?

    BTW- If its true that Solder is with Matt Light's agent, when are we going to start the conspiracy theory that Light's agent perpetrated the hold out to give Matt more leverage in coming back to NE. Essentially he's screwing the kid to help out the guy who he has a long term relationship with. A serious conflict of interest.
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    So Tampa's young GM really triggered a twofold mess in both guaranteeing all 4 years of his players deal and in overshooting the allocation (which is apparently a range) (by taking money from his later picks).




    Phil Taylor, Browns find middle ground on guaranteed money | ProFootballTalk
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    The league should just reject clayborns deal and make them do it over. Or maybe the league only likes to eff with our contracts.
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    Because there came a point over the weeks of negotiating where his absencse was clearly going to impact his progress. After that point it makes even more sense for him to want as much guaranteed because the chances of him becoming a 'bust' increase.

    E.g. it becomes more reason for the player to want as much guaranteed as possible. It's a business and the team will drop him like a bad habit if he doesn't pan out so it behooves him to get as much as possible this go around.
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    I guess he's got a big nose?
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