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    Ron Paul’s Farewell Address to Congress

    It is my opinion that our gov't was never intended to be the caretakers of our citizens. To believe it's acceptable for our working middle class citizens to be responsible for our neighbor's well-being is not an idea based upon individual liberty.

    Let's all say good-bye to a great respresentative of we, the people.

    I tip my hat to Mr Paul.
     
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    Don't worry when they "loons" drag the country down to Rock Bottom then America will begin the climb back up and out of the shlt the socialist Obama is hell bent on trying to get us stuck in, he wants to be a Dictator so bad he can taste it but our way of life and our love for freedom will send him and his little gang packing.

    Barack Hussein Obama was re-elected on The Pop Culture and Racist vote but his performance in the next four years will make sure that never happens again, even the liberals will suffer and they will turn on him (the racists will stick with him no matter what he does)
    GOD WILLING
     
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    Just got home and am so glad to see someone else here cared enough to share this. I was going to last night but figured people would've tuned out one of the VERY few honest men in our political system. I anticipated the predictable, "Ron Paul is crazy" response, and didn't think anyone cared what he had to say. So thrilled that I was so wrong.

    I don't agree with all of his views of course, but I do with most. There is more truth in that little 50 minute speech than I've heard from any other politician In the last 15 years.

    He may not be right about everything ( who is? ) but it is obvious that he GENUINELY cares and that his heart is in the right place. Coming from an American politician that means a lot.

    He is a great man. Only wish we were able to elect a few more like him. Things could have been different.
     
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    Ron Paul is the one politician that gets my full attention when he speaks. He delivers from his beliefs, it is always enlightening to take in his point of view.
     
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    You don't think the government should strive for a large healthy middle class?
     
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    Guess those racist newsletters he signed off on in the 90's are far enough in the rear view mirror to have been forgotten about..
     
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    Its so sad the GOP didn't give him the nod, I think he was the only one that could of beat Obama, I would of voted for the first time in my life and it would of been for him, not because I agree with everything he say's or thinks but because of one reason and one reason only.......He's the only one that would of stoped the wars, would stop spending 700 billion-1 trillion a year on defense.

    I hate war, I don't care one bit for it and even though I like a lot of things Obama stands for, he's just as bad as GWB when it comes to war games. I'm sick of people dying, I'm sick of children loosing their fathers and mothers in the name of oil....and power....
     
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    "They" would not have allowed this to happen.. it is a pipedream, there is too much money and influence to maintain the status quo.. read Dwight D's, commentary on the military industrial complex.. it is prophetic.

    Military-Industrial Complex Speech, Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1961

     
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    Ron Paul has a few good ideas on foreign policy, but for the most part he's a nut, a throwback to the failed policies of the Gilded Age, and even the Republicans understood that he's a nut. That whiny little liar who denied knowing anything about the racist Ron Paul newsletter and who favors legalizing discrimination, ending the minimum wage, ending FEMA, allowing states to outlaw gay marriage, leaving the UN, and so on is a footnote in American history. If his ideas were implemented we'd have no middle class. But, really it's his attitude towards the Civil War (that we should have bought the slaves from the South) coupled with his racist newsletter that make me think so little of him.
     
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    He just was never a viable enough candidate to beat Obama. Politically no, should he have been able to yes. He brought a nice change to the discussion.
    As far as the oil goes, there are geopolitical reasons to be in the Middle East which fuels the military complex. Although they did just find a huge oil reserve in CO.
     
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    Is it the government or the central bank that allows our middle class to survive?
     
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    The modern middle class is a product of liberalism, especially the GI bills of 1944 and 1951. Of course, it's worth noting that blacks did not benefit from the GI Bills because they were largely excluded from the military. That's why they still lag behind. Many of us owe our middle class lives to Roosevelt and Truman, who did a lot for our parents and grandparents.

    A Brief History of the American Middle Class - TIME

    "Our modern image of the middle class comes from the post–World War II era. The 1944 GI Bill provided returning veterans with money for college, businesses and home mortgages. Suddenly, millions of servicemen were able to afford homes of their own for the first time. As a result, residential construction jumped from 114,000 new homes in 1944 to 1.7 million in 1950. In 1947, William Levitt turned 4,000 acres of Long Island, New York, potato farms into the then largest privately planned housing project in American history. With 30 houses built in assembly-line fashion every day — each with a tree in the front yard — the American subdivision was born."
     
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    Thanks for the history on that. I guess I am wondering why you think Ron Paul's approach would kill the middle class?
     
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    Because of his tax structure primarily (10% flat tax). That's the kind of tax we had in the Gilded Age and early part of the 20th century, when we had no middle class to speak of. In addition, he's anti-union, against minimum wage, and believes that Social Security and Medicare are unconstitutional. The middle class was the direct product of the government offering low-cost loans and tuition, among other things. The middle class today benefits directly and indirectly from government expenditures. I don't think the middle class would vanish from day one, but it would gradually decline.
     
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    You bring up some good points, so thank you. I think the tax rate at 10% is low and based on earlier in his career. The principle of a flat tax makes sense, what the rate is who knows. I am for 15% with a national sales tax at 8%. You want something buy it, just make a harder evaluation on whether you can afford it. Also since we are heading into a period of more part time jobs and under the table wage earners illegal or otherwise, let's get the revenue in a national sales tax. Lower and standardize the current income tax, but back it up with a sales tax. I agree with some. Of what you have brought up about tuition and Medicare etc. I just fear that we are artificially propping up and manipulating our currency to make these programs available. For everyone. At some point you have to draw the line.
     
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    If Ron Paul truly cared about the people he would have moderated his views to the mainstream to build the party. Ron Paul has some great ideas ... and Ron Paul loves Ron Paul ... not the people which is why his wheels spin with little traction.
     
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    This is true a many fringe candidates and why their supporters want to punch them in the mouth. I feel the same about Nader sometimes. Their clarity doesn't apply to the slushy vaugeness that is American politics. Especially on a national level, you lose too many people with a pure set of values to ever have a chance at getting into a position where you can have an effect on law and policy. Private fire departments and open borders don't fly with the People. Neither do slavery reparations and free college for illegal immigrants.
     
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    The opposition to the sales tax tends to come from the right, which fears that if a sale tax was implemented, it would be very easy for the government raise it from, say, 8% to 9% to 10% and so on. The other problem is that sales taxes can lead to fraud in terms of bartering and black markets. That said, I'm not against sales taxes provided necessities are excluded. Europe uses value added taxes (which is a convoluted form of the sales tax), and prices are quite high there.

    The reality is that capitalism doesn't work; it's just the best system there is. Communism obviously was far worse. In Marx's critique, he said that capitalism would collapse when it ran out of markets to expand into. I don't think he gave enough consideration to the fact that an economy creates its own new markets, such as happened here with the internet, and I believe will happen with healthcare reform and alternative energy.

    That said, as China has begun to compete, we see a problem for the west with a lack of markets for their goods, and so the western economies are struggling right now. The solution has been to prop up the economies with borrowing and all sorts of legalized gambling (futures, derivatives, and other exotic investments). Food stamps, welfare, and other government programs ultimately go into the hands of small and big business, which not only addresses social problems, but props up the economy as well. The alternative, which the neocons favored during Bush's era, is war. War props up the economy by rallying the people behind deficit spending and by destroying and controlling a country so that it hires the US to do much of the rebuilding.

    The problem we have is that there is no economic system that naturally addresses the needs of 300 million Americans. If Paul's economic ideas were implemented, we would see riots and protests far worse than those we saw in the 1920s, when governors were calling out National Guardsmen to shoot strikers and Hoover called out the Army to stop a march on Washington, DC by WWI veterans. During our most libertarian era, life for the working poor was often horrible (72 hour work weeks, no health care, incredibly dangerous work conditions, etc.).

    Again, I don't think there's a perfect solution, but I do think the first priority is to make sure everyone is housed, fed, clothed, and living safely. I'd love to see national workfare, where just about every individual works for their aid, but the cost of doing that is very high since you'd need job training, staff, and facilities; handouts are cheaper. Personally, I think we need to increase tax revenue so that we can have workfare, job training, lower cost education, and more investments in new technologies that aren't yet able to get venture capital.
     
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