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    Is this your last year of potential hope for him? Or he is an official "bust". We drafted him pretty highly back in 2009. He is going on his 4th year
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    Well if I were him I'd be planning to pass the conditioning run day 1. Clearly this is a make or break camp for him.
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    This guy has been so disappointing. He has the natural ability to be a starting caliber DT/DE but so far he just hasn't had the work ethic to reach his full potential.
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    Yeah, the work ethic to stay healthy is a pita to maintain
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    He's already a bust- IMO he's more likely to get cut before the season than to be a meaningful contributor. If he does make the roster, it will be largely because his position happens to be the one where we have the least depth, but even then I wouldn't be surprised to see a JAG/other team's cut come in and beat him out for a spot.
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    Chad Jackson is a bust, Brace is a guy that can't stay healthy.
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    Other then Vince he is our most talented DT. I think he would have a better opportunity used as our 3-4 nose guard and bouncing Vince to RE as the attacker or LE against running teams.

    I don't think Brace has the agility to play end. Love is to small to play any 3-4 position so Brace is really somebody we need to show up this year.
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    Actually, Chad Jackson was both a bust and a guy who couldn't stay healthy (hamstring and ACL injuries).

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    Brace has had 3 years to show. If the Patriots can find a veteran placeholder or two, Brace will likely be looking for a new employer soon.
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    He has had flashes ..but the writing is on the wall. Its put up or you re gone.
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    I sort of had some thought that potentially BB basically shut down players like Brace, Pryor and Cunningham last year because he saw them as good fits for our 3-4 based on there play in 2010 and felt it would be defermental to there progress to have them attempt to play in a 4-3 because they were such young players?

    He was able to fill there roles with bridge players like Carter and Anderson, and based on the fact he made no attempt to draft a big DT it would lead me to believe he must feel he has something in Brace, Deadrick and Pryor.

    Just a thought could be way off, but Brace and Cunningham were both impressive at times in 2010 and we now view them both as busts but look how quickly BB shut them down it's like he didn't want to mess with there 3-4 progress and decided to basically red shirt them.
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    DTs better than Brace:

    Vince Wilfork
    Kyle Love
    Myron Pryor
    Gerard Warren

    Intriguing rookie that could be worth keeping over him: Marcus Forston

    Brace will be sent packing.
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    Excellent sum-up..... Great post!
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    Brace has looked best as a 34 DE.
    Love is big enough to play any 34 DL spot. He is TOO big/slow to play DE.
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    How is Pryor better than Brace? Brace plays better, and is healthier.
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    Love lacks the length for DE being 6-1 and 310 is a bit undersized at NT.

    As I said I would like to see Brace at the nose, Wilfolk moving around. Hard to say he's looked best at DE when we haven't even seen Jim any place else.
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    I view Brace as a 330 pound healthy scratch deadweight, what did he do last year at all? Pryor is made of glass but is a worth a spot as an interior pass rusher if healthy.

    The team is low on 3-4 DEs, but we still have Deaderick and Fanene,and the position may be less important in this hybrid/sub package defense.
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    You are pimping a guy who played 9 games in 2 years, and as a supposed pass rush specialist has 2 1/2 sacks in his entire career?
    Brace has played well when he has played. Far better than Pryor. For some reason though, playing welll hasn't helped Brace get on the field more. Something is amiss. He is an enigma. But Myron Pryor is certainly not a better player.

    Regardless of how the league keeps moving more to a passing league, you still need a base defense. The 'hybrid' defense was a 43, and according to BB was installed because there was not enough time to get the more complex 34 in.
    34 DEs are still needed.
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    He played DT last year, and he has played on the nose.
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    By the way when did it become the trend to call height length? :cool:
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    Ok, I'll concede that Pryor is made of glass and mediocre, but Brace's 0 career sacks and 4 tackles in all of 2011 says something. He may be saved being at one of our weaker positions, but in the end I see him cut.
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    As I said, enigma.
    You can't really watch the film of his play as a Patriot and not see good play. You can't really watch it and understand why he isn't earning a lot more playing time.
    There is something going on, whether its injuries, attitude, conditioning, intellect, or something else. If that doesn't change I don't know how he is not cut. But the ability is there, and its been shown on the field.
    BTW, measuring Brace in sacks is not a realistic yardstick, thats not his role.
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    Brace had a conditioning trainer last year so passing the TC run shouldn't have been a problem...and I believe he passed it. It has to be something else...only BB and the coaches can figure that out.

    Attitude or ability will be the difference this season. He better not get injured or its sayonara.

    If he tears it up TC, he'll make the roster.
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    Don't get me wrong I like Kyle Love a lot. Solid hard working player and I think he will still see the majority of time next to Wilfolk in even fronts such as 4-3, 2-4 nickel and 4 man subpackage. I was simply making the point that in odd fronts like the 3-4 and 3-3 nickel Love doesn't have great size or length for the nose or the end. This is where we really need to hope that Brace can show his value that had him projected coming out of college.

    Looking at Brace he was able to be a strong run defender and pillar next to Raji in college which allowed Raji to be more of a attacker. That's why I would like to see at the nose and have us use Vince in more of a Ngata type capacity. Similiar to Raven's use of Ngata and Terence Cody in there base 3-4.

    If you look at that line the ROLB is generally covering up the RE anyways so look at this for a base on early downs,

    3-4 Heavy
    LDE - Deaderick
    NT - Brace
    RDE- Wilfolk
    Elephant - C Jones

    LOLB - Hightower
    SILB - Spikes
    WILB - Mayo

    3-4 Light
    LDE - Fanaene
    NT - Love
    RDE - Wilfolk
    Elephant - C Jones

    LOLB - Hightower
    SILB - Spikes
    WILB - Mayo

    4-3
    LE - Bequette
    DT - Love
    DT - Wilfolk
    RE - C Jones

    LOLB - Hightower
    MILB - Spikes
    ROLB - Mayo

    2-4 Nickel
    LOLB - Bequette/Nincovich
    DT - Love
    DT - Wilfolk
    ROLB - C Jones

    SILB - Hightower
    WILB - Mayo

    3-3
    LDE - Fanaene/Bequette
    DT - Wilkfolk
    RE - C Jones

    LOLB - Hightower
    MLB - Spikes
    ROLB - Mayo

    I see these as the best fits for our current personal and it allows us to be heavy and light depending on the situation and to run 4-3 looks with 3-4 versitility. Also relies heavily on our LB which is the strength of our D.
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    If he plays like he did in preseason and early season 2010 (and overcomes whatever extraneous issue is holding him back) he would stat in the base 34.
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    To be fair, lack of sacks doesn't necessarily mean Pryor wasn't applying some pressure. For example, in 2010 he abused Steve Hutchinson and knocked Favre the hell out ending his career. Does that not count as a good play because it wasn't a sack?
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    Looking for opinions. Does anyone think that Jake Bequette could play LDE in a 3-4 hybrid scheme?

    LDE - Bequette
    NT - Brace/Love
    RDE - Wilfolk
    Elephant ROLB - Jones

    LOLB - Hightower
    SILB - Spikes
    WILB - Mayo

    He is 6'4 1/2 and close to 280lbs and considered strong against the run.

    Thoughts??
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    No chance. Way, way to light to play 34 DE, or LDE in the 43.
    He is an OLB in the 34.
    Deaderick and Fanene are the guys you are mssing.
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    Love is 6'1, Wilfork is 6'2, are you seriously trying to make the case that 1 inch is the difference between not tall enough to play the position and being the best NT in the league?
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    Sure, you can make plays without registering a sack. I did not state otherwise.
    But Pryor hasn't made many plays, and if his claim to fame is as a pass rusher 2 half sacks in 3 years and one memorable hit on Favre after he released the ball. Not sure how you get that it ended his career. He played most of the rest of the season, while Pryor has played 4 games since. Ironic to your comment Favre has played more football after that hit than Pryor.
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