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  1. PatsFanInVa

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    Just in case anybody wants to talk just about Romney's tax returns, I thought I'd make a thread for it.

    Romney tax returns
    (USA Today, pretty much right down the middle.)

    Romney Paid More Than Required, Raising Tax Rate to 14.1 Percent - ABC News
    (ABC News, which picks up Romney's earlier quote that he's not qualified to be president if he payed more than he owed.)

    Romney tax return: Why release now? – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs
    CNN ticker on the timing

    Romney releases 2011 tax return; others in summary - Berkshire Eagle Online
    Mainly just the facts of the summary, but also points out that the question of how he got $1M in a retirement account limited to 17K/yr contributions... which of course, can't be established w/summaries.

    Discuss.

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    #75 Jersey

    Tax summaries are used for two reasons:

    1) You don't want people to see details of your life because (a) something in your real tax return would cause a problem between yourself and the party looking at them.

    2) You object to showing taxes because privacy still counts for something and you have a philosophical problem with ever revealing private information.
     
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    Thirdly, when you reveal exact details of investments, it affects others involved in LLCs and other other investors who may not want their investments aired publicly. It is a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation. If he paid a small amount, using all the deductions legally allowed, some people would scream that he didn't pay " his fair share". If he paid too much, others would yell as he did " that he's too stupid to be President". There is a fine, fine line.....
     
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    #75 Jersey

    That's true. Good point.

    Maybe this is the most important reason, after all. I think tax returns being made public might be a bad idea. I think that, because of the 24-7 media, running for president requires too much disclosure and eliminates many good potential candidates for POTUS. But then again, there are those who believe that vetting the candidates is the most important part of the process.

    Another fine line in our political system.
     
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    Well, no.

    It's only oh-so-delicate if he already said you're not fit for office if you pay more than your absolute minimum legal burden.

    He painted himself into that corner. Nobody put a gun to his head and made him say that.

    Well, maybe Norquist did. But the gun was out of the shot in every clip I saw. :)

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    The media painted him into that corner. Its just a foolish non starter gotcha quote.Because thats all they got to focus their attention on while the mid east burns.
     
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    How exactly did the media force him to say if he paid a dollar more he'd be disqualified? He said it of his own free will, and he is over eighteen. If you could explain how you came to this conclusion it would help me/us understand how the far far right thinks.
     
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    The poor victimized right.. the perennial victim.
     
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    This is why Romney didn't want to release his taxes because no matter what the left would find something to whine about.
    Only the left and the leftwing media would focus on too much fair share.

    While not hearing a word on how the Obama admin. lied pubilicly for 10 days about movie gate. or how his whole forign policy is a complete disaster.

    Or about using Mitts tax money to fund a 70,000 apology video to the mid east about free speech.

    Or how we are hated more than ever in the mideast than the Bush years.
     
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    He would be a fool to release the entire returns. The Dems would be looking to make mountains out of mole hills. That is the reason, and the only reason, they want the complete returns.

    I've notice that no one has called Harry Reid on being the liar that he is. Where is the outcry from the media that Reid makes an apology seeing apologies are in fashion since January of 2009.

    I just did a Google search and no one in the main stream media is calling for a Reid apology.
     
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    What pray tell, are you referring to when you speak of apologies?? The ones made up by the right wing spin machine, that allegedly were uttered by our Commander in Chief???
     
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    The reality of not taking all of the deductions could be no more than a political ploy used by Romney. When he loses he can refile, add more deductions and take full credit for the current deductions..

    Which would take his tax liability back to 9%....

    Not taking all of his deductions on his current return, is nothing more than a political game...
     
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    They trashed Romney for not showing his taxes
    Now they will trash him FOR showing his taxes

    :singing::singing::singing:

    The "Obama Fawning Groupies" are getting worried, there's none of that "Messiah Shlt" out there this time.
     
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    Obama said that if didnt have this mess cleaned up in 3 years that he didnt deserve another term.
     
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    Let's stick to the subject and not hijack the thread. Reid clearly stated that Romney did not pay taxes for 10 years. Where is the call for an apology?

    I expect you, being a fair minded person, to call for the Reid apology*.




    *Breaking news: Hell just froze over, and Reid has not apologized and members of the main stream media have not called for an apology.
     
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    Romney is not going to lose :D

    Face it, the Dems have NOTHING.
     
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    I'd have Reid subpoenaed to give up his source on who told Reid that Mitt didn't pay taxes for ten years.
     
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    The lib media is in Obamas pocket.

    You will never get the truth with them on whats really going on.
     
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    You change the subject and make a statement, and now you want me to stick to the subject??? Your commentary..

     
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    No, mitts not releasing his tax forms because hes hiding something.

    You must be saying that all media Except faux is liberal which isn't the truth. The truth is you are so far to the right all media looks like its liberal.

    What is movie gate?

    Mitts tax money......How did they differentiate between mitts tax money and mine or yours.

    Free speech doesn't cover insighting riots, if you say something that insights a riot you will be arrested for insighting a riot.

    This hatred started before the bush years and invading iraq didn't help matters. Obama hasn't done anything to make them hate us more except for killing OBL and hundreds of Taliban and AQ killed by drone strikes. That including most of the senior leadership of AQ and the Taliban.
     
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