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  1. Mr.Kilowatt

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    This was brought up a little bit in the addai thread, but it kind of took that one off track a little bit. It seems Pats fans don't want to consider Indy a rivalry, but when I read this forum almost every thread has some shot or comparison to the Colts. I said before, I am a Colts fan and did not come here to cause trouble. From a Colts fans perspective, I think the Pats are our #1 rivalry. Denver was brought up by a lot of the posters on here to be your #1, but I think that might be because they were the last team to beat you and there fans probably let you know about it. I have no problem with being a rival of what some consider the best team ever. I just wonder why Pats fans don't feel the same, or atleast admit it.
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    We just don't want to admit it. We are afraid that someone will find out how good the Colts are and how they have been the best team in football, and the Patriots aren't that good. We don't want to admit that we are doomed.
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    #75 Jersey

    Don't confuse hate with being a rival.

    I hate the Colts now. In fact, they moved up to share the #2 spot with the Raiders,on my most hated teams list.

    The Bills, fins, & JEST are our division rivals.
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    Yeah, that's pretty much it. It's not a rivalry when one team wins all the important games, like the (warning: incoming baseball analogy) Yanks-Sawx up until recently. The Colts are just really, really annoying, with that phony Manning and all the media attention they get because "offense sells", despite the fact that they're a tremendous group of chokers. I'd probably put the Broncos at the top of the list, because they always give the Pats problems, though the good guys have won some important games against the Donkeys. The Steelers, Jets, Dolphins and Raiders all qualify too, on some level, though Pittsburgh is near Indy levels in how much the Pats own them.
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    I consider the Colts the top rival right now, at least for me. I hate the Colts more than any other team in the league, and want to beat them the most. To me, Pats-Colts=rivalry #1.
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    Sun 11/5/2006

    Pats vs Colts. Buckle your seatbelts. Midway through the season this will be a big test for both teams. By that time we will see who's for real.
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    Disdain, contempt and loathe are all good words too. ;)
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    #75 Jersey

    I think we're about to see the rebirth of the Dolphins as our chief rivals for the next 4-6 years.

    I'm sorry, Kilowatt, that you don't have any division foes worthy of "rival" status. It must take some fun out of the game.
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    Well, when in doubt, consult the dictionary:

    v. riテつキvaled, or riテつキvalled riテつキvalテつキing, or riテつキvalテつキling riテつキvals or riテつキvals
    v. tr.
    1. To attempt to equal or surpass.
    2. To be the equal of; match


    So given the definition of rival, by Definition #2, they are not rivals. The Colts are not the equal of the Pats.

    But interestingly, by definition #1, the colts could look at the Pats as a rival because they want to attempt to equal us. But it doesn't work the other way as the Pats do not need to equal the COlts. THey are already better.

    Beat the Pats when it counts, knock us out of the postseason and go on to win a SB or two. Man, then we would have a rivalry.

    Until then, I just don't see it.

    On the other hand, if the Pats and Colts continure to play a regular season game every year, I could see this forming a rivalry. But you gotta win some games first, preferably when it counts. (I hope you don't - I really dislike the COlts after they complained aobut the Pats "cheating" on defense and then were caught pumping noise into the RCA Dome through the loudspeakers.)

    BTW, I wish to complement you on being an excellent visitor. Most visitors here are pretty rude (though when I read the Indystar board, I am kind of embarrassed for the rudeness of visiting patsfans, so I guess being an unwelcome guest is normal.) But for me, you are welcome to post here, and I apologize for my post #2 if it was ridiculing.
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    I consider Miami and New York Jets to be the two Pats primary rivalries. Until Indy ever beats they in a meaningful game, I just dont see the Colts as anything more than a better than average game.
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    I think colts are our biggest rival and the team I hate the most as well.

    definitely colts
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    I think the guy Mr.Kilowatt is actually right and the Colts really are one of our true rivals. The Colts, whether from Baltimore or Indy, were in our Eastern Division from 1970 thru 2001. It is fair to admit that the fact they have been an Eastern Division "rival" of the Jets, Dolphins, Bills and Pats for 31 years kinda ranks them as a true rivalry.

    It must have really sucked after, all that time in the division, to get moved out of it when they cut it to 4 teams in the division. Then they had to suffer the former division "rival" become a 3 time Super Bowl champion literally by stepping over their frustrated body! Essentially we've been competing against them for 35 years, the guy's right - - we are definitely in a rivalry with them, admit it! Doesn't change anything, I still don't like their team (but I do respect them as a dangerous opponent).

    :rolleyes:
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    The only thing I don't respect about the Colts is they play indoors. Other than that - they're a darn good team. Every time the Patriots have played them the build up was immense. So yes, I consider them a rival.

    I still consider the Jets to be an arch-rival.

    It's nice to be on the winning end of these rivalries (for now).
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    Yep, Colts count. Denver is probably our self-appointed bogeyman right now, not just because they beat us this year, but because they beat us about half the time we play them. If any coach can be said to go toe-to-toe with Belichick, it's Shanahan - just the way they match up, I think. A couple of scheming ******s. It helps that Shanahan's got some rings too.

    The Colts are like the Steelers, to me. I've always got a little dread, because they field damn good teams. But by the end of the day, we own them.

    PFnV
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    Yep, Colts count. Denver is probably our self-appointed bogeyman right now, not just because they beat us this year, but because they beat us about half the time we play them. If any coach can be said to go toe-to-toe with Belichick, it's Shanahan - just the way they match up, I think. A couple of scheming ******s. It helps that Shanahan's got some rings too.

    The Colts are like the Steelers, to me. I've always got a little dread, because they field damn good teams. But by the end of the day, we own them.

    PFnV
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    #75 Jersey

    OK, so we have:Hate, Disdain, Dispise, Contempt, Loathe.

    We will have to buy a vowel or two.

    OK people, let's come up with a word that contains all of the above. It can be our own code word for the friggin Colts.:rocker:

    I know some of you people ar very good at this. Put your thinking caps on.
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    I definitely consider Indy a rival. It's like they never left the AFC East.

    I'm an old timer and grew up rooting for Bill Russell in his epic battles against Wilt Chamberlain. Just like Brady and Manning, one had the big numbers and the other one always won.
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    It goes both ways. When I was at the draft with my sons and the older one and I we were both wearing Pats sweatshirts ( he a Rodney Jersey and Pats cap) we walked thru the pit with all 32 teams on the way back to our seats after he got called up to answer some trivia questions with Doug Jolley. Most team reps didn't give us a second look but the Colts rep was staring daggers and giving us 'dirty looks'. As I said once before, if even Pats' fans can aggravate the Colts, we've gotten waaaaaaaay inside their heads....All because we were wearing Pats garb.......

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    Rivals for what?

    If people simply want to focus on the division each year, not a terrible idea, then (as someone else posted) our rivals for the past 30 years have been Maimi, Buffalo, Indy and the Jets.

    If we are discussing the teams stand in the way of our next Super Bowl, then I must list PITT, INDY, and DEN. We have history with them all. And even though we're the best, on a given day in the playoffs, in a given season, one of these teams could very well beat us. And I would add MIAMI because they have two shots at us. They potentially can beat us in the division and in the playoffs. The NFC sux. So, over the next four years (the rest of the bb's decade), I expect these four teams to have the greatest chance of beating us out of a conference championship. For me, no other teams come close.
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    RESPECT OR HATE OR BOTH
    That is a matter of personal style. Fans from everywhere have their choices. Me, I hate Miami. Miami has taken more away from the patriots than all the rest combined. Schula actually wrote the rules, and intimidated the refs to changing their decisions. MIA also dominated when the pats were weak. I hate DENVER. I remember going to Denver EVERY YEAR and losing. I remember many losses to DEN. And I remember a classless team.

    Personally, I have no hate for the bills or the jets. The bills have always been a class organization, well until senility has now set in. They have always played us close and well. Some hate the jets because of the coaches and players we have shared. Actually, I find family hard to hate. After all, for many, many years the patriots and jets fighting with Indy for the right to first pick in the draft. How can you hate a team that hasn't won a SB since Namath?
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    INDY AND PITT
    I have always had respect for PITT. They have played great football for many decades, and have been the class of the conference (except for the current dynasty of the patriots, of course).

    For me, I respect Indy, their quarterback and their ability in recent years to put quality (and entertaining) teams on the field (much like the pats of the past ten years). Also, it hard to hate a team that you always seem to beat. And yes, I feel sorry for Manning, who can't seem to win the big one.
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    MY BOTTOM LINE
    If we don't win, I would rather PITT or INDY win than any team in the NFC. That's just my approach to the game. I have absolutely no problem rooting for the AFC team, unless they are MIA or DEN. And even Denver! I wanted Elway to finally win one, something Jim Kelly (a fine Qb for a fine team) never did in four chance in a row.
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    just my 2 cents
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    Well I do miss the old AFC east. In those days all the conference games were big. It just seems now that we only have a couple of games a year that we really look forward to. I remember looking weeks ahead to the Miami game every year. I hated Marino and all the attention he got from the Media. (I guess I see why you don't like all the attention Manning gets).
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    Thanks for the complement. I am sure we will disagree on some things in the future, but I am 43 years old and don't get much into the smack talk. I would rather talk about the game and players and such. I read the Indy Star board but rarely post anything there because of all the smack. I am looking forward to this next season and if I see a discussion that I think I can add something to I will give you my 2 Cents.
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    #12 Jersey

    i do not dislike the Colts so much as...:

    1 - Pit
    2 - Den
    3 - Mia
    4 - Oak
    5 - Bal

    of course i do not like Indy at all but i respect them a lot

    Go Pats !
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    I've noticed you posting things like this over, and over, and over. We are doomed. I understand the sarcasm just like I understood it 500 posts ago, but can't you change it up a little? I don't mean this as a bash, but it's like every single time someone starts a half interesting thread there's you with your doom remarks.

    Again, not a huge deal so don't take it as a rip, I just recall your posts from the past and you didn't always resort to this!
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    I admit Indy is a rival. It's been one sided until last season, but it's a rivalry. Any other AFC team that is consistently pushing for the top of the heap is a rival of our team. Pitt, Denver, Indy, they are all normally in the hunt and we usually end up crossing paths on the road there. It makes the games more fun to me. (except that beating in the Razor last season, ouch, I hope we get some revenge from that one).
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    I agree. It is fun when the top teams in football meet, and especially so when we have the best team, and usually win.

    Do you guys really look forward to a game with say Houston or Tenn with the same anticipation of an Indy or a Pitt game, oeven a Denver game? I don't.

    In a sense, when we play weak teams, we are playing game we almost HAVE to win, and are profoundly disappointed if we don't. If we do win, it's just time to move on to the next game. But a game with the rest of the top four; those games we sometimes remember for many years, whether during the season or in the playoffs. For me, that's it all about, GREAT FOOTBALL. And, oh yeah, I want us to win more than our share.

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    "amused contempt"

    obviously the dolts are pretty much consumed with patriots, and now maybe with steelers too.
    IMO they ARE a better team. problem is, they can't beat us. i guess i'd be grinding my teeth too if i was in their position.
    there was a strong rivalry with the denver broncos from about 1980-1995.
    IMO we have a rivalry going with the oakland faiders that dates back 30 years. goes all the way back to roughing the passer. seems to me to be some personal enmity out there as well.
    but i don't get the sense of anything personal between pats and dolts, or between pats and broncos. i do enjoy beating those head cases tho.
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    #15 Jersey

    How about Revile, Reviled, Revolting or Revulsion?
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