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Right-wing sickos attacked 12-year-old boy who gave Dem address

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    What strikes me about this is the Stepford RW response of attacking the messenger instead of listening to the message, never have I seen such a polarization of any issue on both sides of the aisle. All are a bunch of lemmings, wait for Limbaugh today... anyways here is some other stuff on this issue.. instead of increasing the budget for the Bagdad Embassy, aka Memorial to George.. they might want to rethink their priorities..

    The Dems should be ashamed for putting a child out there to further their own agenda, and the Republicans should be ashamed for their knee jerk reaction.

    http://thinkprogress.org/

    Here are the facts that the right-wing distorted in order to attack young Graeme:

    1) Graeme has a scholarship to a private school. The school costs $15K a year, but the family only pays $500 a year.

    2) His sister Gemma attends another private school to help her with the brain injuries that occurred due to her accident. The school costs $23,000 a year, but the state pays the entire cost.

    3) They bought their “lavish house” sixteen years ago for $55,000 at a time when the neighborhood was less than safe.

    4) Last year, the Frost’s made $45,000 combined. Over the past few years they have made no more than $50,000 combined.

    5) The state of Maryland has found them eligible to participate in the CHIP program.
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    Politics has become such a big game of "Gotcha" and if one side says something - the other jumps at them.
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    Hey MMikey, how about "Shameless Left Wing props up 12 year to push political agenda". Nah, why say something like that? :rolleyes:

    This is a classic tactic by people in politics. Prop up a widowed woman, an injured soldier, a old lady, or in this case, a 12 year old kid to make a political statement. Why do they do this? Well, so that sheep react like MMikey. The old "how dare you criticize a kid, woman, widow, soldier, etc.". Both sides are guilty of this crap.

    Baaaaa.....
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    Of course, Mike is objecting to the lies promulgated by the right wing, so your point is irrelevant. If he said, "That kid gave a brilliant speech and convinced me to support child health care," then your point would be logical.

    The problem that Mike is pointing out is that the right wing is promulgating falsehoods in their criticism. They're wrongly attacking the kid's family, when if they want to criticize anything it should be the proposal for children's health care.

    As far as using kids, women, soldiers, etc. to promote their messages, well it might be wrong, but it's how it's been done for years. Politics today is driven by advertising and marketing strategies, which is sad.
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    Good point. It's all about emotion these days.
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    MMIkey pointed out what? Where? :rolleyes:
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    Emotion has no place in government. Emotion is no different than religion.
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    Putting a human face on the expenses we're asked to bear is exactly what belongs in government. Not every tax dollar goes towards the $6000 bomb-proof toilets being installed in the Iraqi embassy.
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    That human face should be your elected officials.
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    Kids should shut up and get a job. NOBODY deserves to be treated when they are sick, especially kids who have yet to even earn a wage. These americans would be stealing from insurance companies, and there is nobody we need to protect more than insurance companies (and contracted mercinaries)

    Bush is 100% correct, how dare this child request medical care. We need to bash his whole family and start talking about this MORE. We need to make the family the issue and stray as far away from the actual subject as we can. I, for one, hope the right wing minority media will finally stand up and bash this doctorless child's entire family! I hope FOX anchors answer the call and start talking about the people who TALK about the issue and not the issue itself.
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    No no, you're wrong..!! We need to create another bottomless entitlement for families earning up to $80,000 per year..!! After all, social security and medicare are in such great financial shape (thanks to the way they are brilliantly and economically run by the U.S. government) that we can easily afford to just give more and more money away..!!
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    Save the Children!
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    we need to get these child labor laws lifted, kids WANT to work.

    and while we are at it, lets stop paying social security.

    and stop paying our military.

    and our congress....

    after all they seem to be 'abusing' the money I pay them.


    why stop at healthcare?


    idiots.


    Honestly....what the flunk is wrong with making sure our youth is heathy? you people make me sick sometimes. so sick....I might need ot be denied coverage from a pre-existing condition.
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    I am glad you admit you are speaking tongue in cheek, my friend..!! Because only an absolute moron would make those extrapolations from my remarks. I know you are not so great of an imbecile to do such a thing, hence it is clear you don't really mean what you say. After all, no one could be that stupid. Right..?
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    wow... what a carefully worded, non-personal personal attack... right?
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    I leave the personal attacks to you - and you foolishly oblige me on command. I didn't attack anyone in this thread... on the contrary, I complimented HD's intelligence
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    There is nothing wrong with making sure kids have insurance. The problem is, expanding a government program to include people who make $80k a year, and thus increasing the burden of government for people who can provide for themselves. On top of that, where is the money going to come from? Maybe if we chopped it someplace else, it would get support. However, when people want to spend it without funding it, or by taxing people who smoke (mainly the poor), it won't get my support.
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    You people happily marched behind that Texas con man and his $500 BILLION dollar disaster and now you wanna be frugal? What utter horse hockey.

    What's next? You gonna go to Vegas, blow the house and then frugally take the courtesy bus from the hotel to the airport, rather than a cab?

    Every time a Bush voter talks about frugality there's nothing to do but laugh.
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    I see, so becuase someone is grossly inefficient with money, it means that we should all be grossly inefficient in kind. :rolleyes: The point that many of you "Save the Children" people are ignoring, or maybe just don't want to understand, is that no one is opposed to the act of insuring kids. What people are opposed to is increasing government, and taxes, to do so. I agree with you that GW is TERRIBLE with money. He's increased the size fo government like never before. I've been saying that for years. He's not a fiscal conservative. That ignorance doesn't justify it's continuance. If the politicians in DC really wanted to pass this bill, then they should have eliminated pork someplace else, and allocated it to this cause. The problem is they didn't. They proposed raising taxes on ciggs, to which I say go to hell. Raise taxes on donuts then, or booze, and see how many people will want that bill passed. How about instead of a gazebo in Indiana, a bridge in Alaska, or a couple of hundred million for some spinach farmers in California, we take that money and put it here? If the money could be found under the current $2.7 Trillion theft of a budget, then great. If not, then find it.
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    I love it!

    its funny how we love to spend money on chasing ghosts, invading nations and raping natural resources. But when it comes to keeping our home 'tight' we become frugal.

    HOME TEAM FIRST!
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    And only an idiot would think that your comments are not yet another unprovoked personal attacks.
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    Its just QuiGon being QuiGon
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    Great article from Michelle Malkin:

    http://www.townhall.com/columnists/...10/the_democrats_unhealthy_poster_child_abuse

    Why is it, that the left thinks they can "just make stuff up" and nobody is goin to check on them. I realize that they are used to owning the media, but those days are gone.


    What is verifiable: The Frosts own a home in Baltimore purchased for $55,000 16 years ago -- and now worth an estimated $300,000. That's a lot of equity. In addition, the children's father, Halsey Frost, owns commercial real estate and his own small business, but chose not to buy health insurance for himself and his wife, whom he hired as an employee. She now apparently works freelance at a medical publishing firm, which also reportedly doesn't offer insurance.

    Gemma and Graeme both attend expensive private schools; the Frosts have two other school-age children. Reid's staff says Gemma and Graeme receive tuition breaks. But it's not clear when those scholarships were instituted and/or whether the other two receive tuition aid as well. Moreover, Frost's family comes from considerable means. The children's maternal grandfather was an engineering executive. Their paternal grandparents hail from affluent Bronxville, New York, where the grandfather is a prominent facilities management consultant and chairman of the municipal planning board.

    In other words: The public trough is not Halsey Frost's last and only resort. The accident was horrible. The children deserve much sympathy and compassion. But this family made choices. Choices have consequences. Taxpayers of lesser means should not be forced to subsidize them.

    The Frosts claim it would cost them more per month than their mortgage, reportedly $1,200 a month, to buy private insurance. But insurance bloggers quickly found available plans for a family of six with premiums as low as $452/month. "That's almost a third of the price quoted in the [Baltimore Sun] article," wrote Bob Vineyard at InsureBlog. "Doesn't anyone bother to check the facts?"

    Funny how many times, they have been caught.
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    Hahahahah! now THATS funny.
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    Great rebuke of her FACTS!!!!!!

    Please explain these phonies too (OH no I called them phonies, I can smell an act of Congress to condem me now).

    In 1996, Hillary Clinton propped up young Jennifer Bush, a 7-year-old with mystery ailments whose mother coached her to lobby for universal health care. Jennifer was trotted out to present the Clintons a lucky silver dollar "to bring you good luck so everyone can have good insurance." Jennifer's mother was later convicted of aggravated child abuse and welfare fraud for misrepresenting $60,000 in assets on Medicaid forms.

    In 2000, Al Gore propped up elderly widow Winifred Skinner to lambaste high drug prices. Gore repeated her claim that she had to pick up cans on the side of the road to pay for medicine. Dan Rather bemoaned: "She's no child, but she belongs on a poster about high drug costs." One problem: Winifred's own well-to-do son, businessman Earl King, debunked those claims.

    In 2004, John Kerry propped up Mary Ann Knowles, a breast cancer patient whom he claimed "had to keep working day after day right through her chemotherapy, no matter how sick she felt, because she was terrified of losing her family's health insurance." The conservative Manchester Union Leader editorial page reported: "Knowles chose to work through most, but not all, of her chemotherapy because her husband was out of a job. She and husband John did not want to take the pay cut that would have come with disability leave, so Mary Ann kept working."
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    FT-dubbz,


    the ALL do this shizzz.
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    A great article written by Michelle Malkin is an oxymoron, put up by an moron, what is wrong here is the Dems politicized this child and the sheeple republicans jumped right on the bandwagon, somewhere in the midst of all of this are children.. is nothing sacred?? Bunch of a..holes in the world, nothing much lower than politicizing children on both sides of the aisle.

    BTW I discounted much of this in a previous post, too lazy to go back and post it again.. Coulter is right, never wrong and she would never beg an issue.
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    IRAAAAQ!!! :rolleyes:
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    And only a complete hypocrite would come down on me and me alone with all the insults that are certainly not flying around fast and free in the forum these days.
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