Rex Ryan says that he kept McKnight Because His Ceiling is Higher Than Woodhead's

[DaBruinz]

Yeah, that's rich, the problem is, McKnight is not in the rotation right now at RB with Greene and LT ahead of him. Woodhead was rotating in as a starter with BGJE

Not sure what you are trying to achieve with that post, just a bunch of fail to me.

Rex is right, McKnight does have a much bigger ceiling, not sure why any Pat fan would have a problem with this... Posting the stats doesn't prove anything when one is a regular in the rotation, and the other isn't.

The fact that McKnight isn't in the rotation IS EXACTLY why people are calling BS on Rex. How can the guy have a higher ceiling if he can't get into the rotation with the mediocre running game the Jets have.

What you seem to be missing is that Woodhead got into the rotation for the Pats last year and has stayed there, despite pressure from two young rookies. Though the Pats have been using Ridley more, and will use him more with Woodhead out.

McKnight just hasn't shown this "high ceiling" that Rex is claiming he has. In fact, Woodhead has shown more on the field over the last two years than Mcknight has.

 

[Triumph]

Yeah, that's rich, the problem is, McKnight is not in the rotation right now at RB with Greene and LT ahead of him. Woodhead was rotating in as a starter with BGJE

Not sure what you are trying to achieve with that post, just a bunch of fail to me.

Rex is right, McKnight does have a much bigger ceiling, not sure why any Pat fan would have a problem with this... Posting the stats doesn't prove anything when one is a regular in the rotation, and the other isn't.

Talk about FAIL

What, the woeful Jets offense couldnt use a RB that could move the chains? LMAO. Elle T is old and this is the 3rd year that Shon Greene is suppose to break out.

McNugget is not in the Jets 31st ranked run offensive rotation because he CANT crack the line up. And before you spout off that the Jets have tried to pass the ball more, they still tried to run approximately 40% of the time.

The Pats pass the ball more than any team and they are ranked 4th in rushing. Face it, the Jets RBs and QB suck.

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[JetFan1]

The fact that McKnight isn't in the rotation IS EXACTLY why people are calling BS on Rex. How can the guy have a higher ceiling if he can't get into the rotation with the mediocre running game the Jets have.

What you seem to be missing is that Woodhead got into the rotation for the Pats last year and has stayed there, despite pressure from two young rookies. Though the Pats have been using Ridley more, and will use him more with Woodhead out.

McKnight just hasn't shown this "high ceiling" that Rex is claiming he has. In fact, Woodhead has shown more on the field over the last two years than Mcknight has.

With a young and emerging Shonne Greene, and a still very effective and future HOF in LT ahead of him, why is the fact McKnight is not in the rotation a surprise? Woodhead has BGJE ahead of him, who is nothing special, how can any Pat fan argue this.

I'm not missing anything, Woodhead is a good fit for the Pats offensive system, but he is not a RB who can carry the load or even parts of it in a pure rushing offensive style on offense.

McKnight is maturing, he's played well on ST's, and now has a KR for a TD. He blossomed a bit with 153 yds off of 25+ carries last year against the Bills, he has the ability, he was one of the top recruited HS football players before going to USC and pretty much gliding his way through college. Up until that point, he was never tested. Then the Jets drafted him, and his rookie season got off to a rough start, it was a wake up call for him, and now he seems to be responding, and could even be part of the rotation today.

Rex sees the guy in practice everyday, and did the same with Woodhead when he was here.

Why are Pats fans upset about the comments that McKnight has a higher ceiling? In McKnight, you're talking about a player with a ton of talent, raw talent, was a top HS recruit, Woodhead was nothing even close to any of that, went to a Div 2 school, is a scrapper, and plays his ass off, aka Wayne Chrebet.

Either some of you aren't thinking straight, or the mere mention of any Jets player being better or having more potential drives Pats fans bat **** crazy.

 

[RIpats88]

heck, ridley is a rookie right now and hes shown more than mcknight.

ceiling is just a term coaches use for "he hasnt given us anything but we dont want to admit we made a mistake"...isnt "ceiling" what everyone said sanchez had? and how they are expect him to "make the jump" at some point and yet he hasnt...

woodhead has been a better back thus far. hes underrated because he's small...but 500yards running, 500yards receiving isnt anything to snuff at

 

[JetFan1]

heck, ridley is a rookie right now and hes shown more than mcknight.

ceiling is just a term coaches use for "he hasnt given us anything but we dont want to admit we made a mistake"...isnt "ceiling" what everyone said sanchez had? and how they are expect him to "make the jump" at some point and yet he hasnt...

woodhead has been a better back thus far. hes underrated because he's small...but 500yards running, 500yards receiving isnt anything to snuff at

No, Ridley has been forced into the line-up because the Pats dont' have anything special in front of him, that's an indictment on BGJE.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

With a young and emerging Shonne Greene, and a still very effective and future HOF in LT ahead of him, why is the fact McKnight is not in the rotation a surprise? Woodhead has BGJE ahead of him, who is nothing special, how can any Pat fan argue this.

I'm not missing anything, Woodhead is a good fit for the Pats offensive system, but he is not a RB who can carry the load or even parts of it in a pure rushing offensive style on offense.

McKnight is maturing, he's played well on ST's, and now has a KR for a TD. He blossomed a bit with 153 yds off of 25+ carries last year against the Bills, he has the ability, he was one of the top recruited HS football players before going to USC and pretty much gliding his way through college. Up until that point, he was never tested. Then the Jets drafted him, and his rookie season got off to a rough start, it was a wake up call for him, and now he seems to be responding, and could even be part of the rotation today.

Rex sees the guy in practice everyday, and did the same with Woodhead when he was here.

Why are Pats fans upset about the comments that McKnight has a higher ceiling? In McKnight, you're talking about a player with a ton of talent, raw talent, was a top HS recruit, Woodhead was nothing even close to any of that, went to a Div 2 school, is a scrapper, and plays his ass off, aka Wayne Chrebet.

Either some of you aren't thinking straight, or the mere mention of any Jets player being better or having more potential drives Pats fans bat **** crazy.

Only Green isn't emerging and LT hasn't been effective...and McKnight has only played well on ST in one game... And the whole point is your blowhard HC is FOS and merely blowing smoke up this kids ass this week to cover his own with the media. No one in the whole organization is accountable, and that's been a problem with the SOJ for decades now...lots of hype and sound bites and gamesmanship that ultimately result in squat... You should know that if you've been a JETS fan for any length of time...

 

[DaBruinz]

With a young and emerging Shonne Greene, and a still very effective and future HOF in LT ahead of him, why is the fact McKnight is not in the rotation a surprise? Woodhead has BGJE ahead of him, who is nothing special, how can any Pat fan argue this.

You're a joke. LT is effective? A Young and emerging Shonne Greene? Have you bothered to look at how poor your run offense is? Your 30th in the league averaging only 71 ypg. The Jets are 30th in the league at 3.1 YPC thanks to Mark Sanchez having a 4.3 YPC..

You say that BJGE is nothing special but he's better than either Greene or LT at this point. And BJGE is averaging 3.9 YPC, but also has 3 rushing TDs. Which is more than LT and Green.. Combined.

And that is the point. Woodhead is in the Pats rotation. McKnight isn't in the Jets rotation despite the Jets rotation being horrible.

I'm not missing anything, Woodhead is a good fit for the Pats offensive system, but he is not a RB who can carry the load or even parts of it in a pure rushing offensive style on offense.

You've missed everything. First, Woodhead HAS carried the load for the Pats on several occasions. Second, Woodhead is used as a chance of pace back, primarily. Hence, being in the rotation. Something that McKnight isn't.

McKnight is maturing, he's played well on ST's, and now has a KR for a TD. He blossomed a bit with 153 yds off of 25+ carries last year against the Bills, he has the ability, he was one of the top recruited HS football players before going to USC and pretty much gliding his way through college. Up until that point, he was never tested. Then the Jets drafted him, and his rookie season got off to a rough start, it was a wake up call for him, and now he seems to be responding, and could even be part of the rotation today.

*ROFLMAO* WOW. If he did so great last year, why isn't he in the rotation. The guy has not gotten a single run from scrimmage this year.

Rex sees the guy in practice everyday, and did the same with Woodhead when he was here.

Rex screwed the pooch. He should never have let Leon Washington go or Woodhead. The Jets would have a much more potent running game.

Why are Pats fans upset about the comments that McKnight has a higher ceiling? In McKnight, you're talking about a player with a ton of talent, raw talent, was a top HS recruit, Woodhead was nothing even close to any of that, went to a Div 2 school, is a scrapper, and plays his ass off, aka Wayne Chrebet.

Either some of you aren't thinking straight, or the mere mention of any Jets player being better or having more potential drives Pats fans bat **** crazy.

Sorry, JF1, but You are the one not thinking straight. Woodhead has been successful at every level of football he's been at. Just because he has "credentials" doesn't mean Jack. What means something is what the player does on the field. And McKnight, to this point, hasn't lived up to his billing.

There have been plenty of players with "mountains of talent" who litter the "Never was pile". From Ryan Leaf to Chris Canty to JaMarcus Russell, to Blair Thomas and Vernon Gholston.

In the end, what matters is what the player does on the field. THAT is what the ceiling is. And, right now, McKnight hasn't done squat.

 

[JetFan1]

Only Green isn't emerging and LT hasn't been effective...and McKnight has only played well on ST in one game... And the whole point is your blowhard HC is FOS and merely blowing smoke up this kids ass this week to cover his own with the media. No one in the whole organization is accountable, and that's been a problem with the SOJ for decades now...lots of hype and sound bites and gamesmanship that ultimately result in squat... You should know that if you've been a JETS fan for any length of time...

How is Greene not emerging? In both of his first two years, he's only gotten better, and has been a real weapon in the playoffs.

This year, he's improved his pass receiving ability. You're going to knock him and the running game after 4 games, when the Jets have had injury issues? Blasphemy.

No one is accountable? What the hell does that mean? What does the team need to be accountable for after two straight trips to the AFC championship? Do you think the team doesn't know of its struggles right now? And what does their history have anything to do with the Rex Ryan era Jets?

And the whole point is your blowhard HC is FOS and merely blowing smoke up this kids ass this week to cover his own with the media.

This is a bunch of crap, and it's clear you have no clue of what you're talking about.

 

[Patriot Missile]

No, Ridley has been forced into the line-up because the Pats dont' have anything special in front of him, that's an indictment on BGJE.

That is fail right there. Ridley is being given his playing time because BJGE is under performing?

BJGE has almost as many rushing yards as your two under performing RB's combined. And 3 tds to your combined 1 rushing td.

As underwhelming as Benjarvus has been that makes your two rbs amoebic.

 

[ewg_gestalt]

With a young and emerging Shonne Greene, and a still very effective and future HOF in LT ahead of him, why is the fact McKnight is not in the rotation a surprise?

Shonn Greene, 2009: 5.0 YPA; 2010: 4.1 YPA; 2011, 3.1 YPA.

That's not emerging—that's eroding. As for the HOFer, how's he been doing lately?

LaDainian Tomlinson, 2009: 3.3 YPA; 2010, 4.4 YPA; 2011, 3.0 YPA

Not that hot, either. Given the lackluster running, there's clearly room for improvement—and the Jets coaches would be blind not to see that. So, if McKnight has the potential to be good, he couldn't be doing any worse than those two. Why hasn't he made the RB rotation yet? He's on the gameday roster; why not give him a few carries per game? It could even help Greene and LT.

Why are Pats fans upset about the comments that McKnight has a higher ceiling? In McKnight, you're talking about a player with a ton of talent, raw talent, was a top HS recruit, Woodhead was nothing even close to any of that, went to a Div 2 school, is a scrapper, and plays his ass off, aka Wayne Chrebet.

I'd rather take the coachable workaholic rather than rolling the dice on a player who could be great but just hasn't demonstrated on the field. Getting 110% performance out of a very good player is better than getting half-baked efforts from a potential superstar.

 

[DaBruinz]

No, Ridley has been forced into the line-up because the Pats dont' have anything special in front of him, that's an indictment on BGJE.

Wrong. Ridley was not FORCED into line-up. He EARNED his way into the line-up. If he was "forced" into the line-up, that implies he wasn't ready. Clearly, that's not the case. What is clear is that he is very ready to be a regular part of the Pats rotation.

BTW, you keep saying that BJGE isn't anything special, but I have to disagree with you. He's a guy who hasn't fumbled the ball since the beginning of High School. That is over 1600 carries.. That's pretty amazing. Also, BJGE almost never gets stopped behind the LOS, despite getting hit back there.

If those are bad things, then well, I don't know what is good for a running back..

 

[JetFan1]

You're a joke. LT is effective? A Young and emerging Shonne Greene? Have you bothered to look at how poor your run offense is? Your 30th in the league averaging only 71 ypg. The Jets are 30th in the league at 3.1 YPC thanks to Mark Sanchez having a 4.3 YPC..

I'm a joke?

LT has been effective, he's had a different role this year, he's already had a game where he has over 100 yds receiving, in his role, he's been excellent. If anything, I'd like to see him get more opportunities. I'm well aware of the Jets rushing stats. The running game is struggling, but mostly because of injuries on the OL, playing with a rookie at C over our Pro Bowl guard has been a huge detriment to the running game. The Pats defensive is dead last, and has been ripped apart by the likes of Buffalo, Miami, and the Raiders, are we all to assume the Pats D sucks that bad? We can make even greater insinuations there...

You say that BJGE is nothing special but he's better than either Greene or LT at this point. And BJGE is averaging 3.9 YPC, but also has 3 rushing TDs. Which is more than LT and Green.. Combined.

And that is the point. Woodhead is in the Pats rotation. McKnight isn't in the Jets rotation despite the Jets rotation being horrible.

That's right, BJGE is nothing special, otherwise the Pats don't extend Woodhead, and go out and draft 2 more RB's. BJGE is a solid RB, nothing more, he's limited in the passing game, which is the Patriots staple on offense, nothing stands out about him, not incredibly fast, just a good solid RB, who provides good effort and a good day of work. Save the stats, the Pats aren't a running football team, they aren't a team that uses the running game to set up the pass, it's the complete opposite, using stats to justify your argument won't help because the success of the Pats running game is because of their passing game. It sure is easy to run the ball, when the defense has been softened, and are playing 7-8 players back to protect against the pass, and the Pats run a delayed handoff or a draw, sure those numbers will look real good. C'mon, are you seriously going to throw stats at me?

You've missed everything. First, Woodhead HAS carried the load for the Pats on several occasions. Second, Woodhead is used as a chance of pace back, primarily. Hence, being in the rotation. Something that McKnight isn't.

Woodhead most certainly has NOT carried the load, not for any stretch. He's got a role, he does it well, and he too is successfull in running the ball for the same reasons I just mentioned regarding the Patriots scheme, they use the pass to set up the run. .

Sorry, JF1, but You are the one not thinking straight. Woodhead has been successful at every level of football he's been at. Just because he has "credentials" doesn't mean Jack. What means something is what the player does on the field. And McKnight, to this point, hasn't lived up to his billing.

There have been plenty of players with "mountains of talent" who litter the "Never was pile". From Ryan Leaf to Chris Canty to JaMarcus Russell, to Blair Thomas and Vernon Gholston.

In the end, what matters is what the player does on the field. THAT is what the ceiling is. And, right now, McKnight hasn't done squat.

Woodhead is a good receiver, which makes him a good fit, but that isn't the point of this thread, nor my comments, the argument and complains out of Pats fan nation is Rex said McKnight has a higher ceiling, he didn't say McKnight has performed better, has a better ypc, has better stats, why do Pats fans completely change the intent of the topic and the discussion and throw stats into their posts? It makes no sense.

 

[mb6592]

There have been plenty of players with "mountains of talent" who litter the "Never was pile". From Ryan Leaf to Chris Canty to JaMarcus Russell, to Blair Thomas and Vernon Gholston.

In the end, what matters is what the player does on the field. THAT is what the ceiling is. And, right now, McKnight hasn't done squat.

Blair Thomas. Vernon Gholston. I would think any true Jet fan would throw up upon the word "potential" entering their pharynx or ear canal.

 

[JetFan1]

Blair Thomas. Vernon Gholston. I would think any true Jet fan would throw up upon the word "potential" entering their pharynx or ear canal.

Jesus H, what do either of those two players have to do with the point of this thread?

Do you want to talk about potential, and the numerous draft busts the Pats have had in recent year?

 

[Ring 6]

Yeah, that's rich, the problem is, McKnight is not in the rotation right now at RB with Greene and LT ahead of him. Woodhead was rotating in as a starter with BGJE

Not sure what you are trying to achieve with that post, just a bunch of fail to me.

Rex is right, McKnight does have a much bigger ceiling, not sure why any Pat fan would have a problem with this... Posting the stats doesn't prove anything when one is a regular in the rotation, and the other isn't.

We've been through this before. "Ceiling' is rhetorical BS to cover the fact that they made a bad decision.
He can't tell the truth, because he has to coach his team, not pass a fact checking test. Its spin. If McKnight were as good as Woodhead, he would be on the field, as I proved to you last time by showing Woodhead out performed every RB the Jets put on the field ahead of McKnight.
Your argument is the same as saying the guy sitting the bench behind a .250 is better than a future Hall of Famer because of his 'ceiling'. The fact that he can't get on the field ahead of your .250 hitter RB corps (this year thats generous) is proof he is a never will be.

 

[mb6592]

Jesus H, what do either of those two players have to do with the point of this thread?

Do you want to talk about potential, and the numerous draft busts the Pats have had in recent year?

I guess you live in a vacuum - most people don't. I mean, don't you remeber Rex hyping Gholston not that long ago (http://articles.nydailynews.com/2010-08-09/sports/27072185_1_vernon-gholston-rex-ryan-jets-camp) (http://www.aolnews.com/2009/01/21/rex-ryan-is-very-confident-wants-nfl-to-know-jets-are-coming/)?

"Ryan ... compared rookie linebacker Vernon Gholston to Ravens Pro Bowl linebacker Terrell Suggs. He said Suggs had been considered a bust as well before Ryan was given the task of turning him into a player."

Again, Blair Thomas. Vernon Gholston. I would think any true Jet fan would throw up upon the word "potential" entering their pharynx or ear canal.

And, please, enlighten us on the Patriots draft busts that even enter the same galaxy as those two.

 

[NinjaZX6R]

WHAT? We drafted Ridley and Verren b/c Sammy Morris was 34 and Faulk was 33 and looks like he is done and oh Fred Taylor retired. Pats always carry 5 RB's.

5-3=2 +2 drafted=4

Not that hard!

 

[brady199]

I'm a joke?

Woodhead is a good receiver, which makes him a good fit, but that isn't the point of this thread, nor my comments, the argument and complains out of Pats fan nation is Rex said McKnight has a higher ceiling, he didn't say McKnight has performed better, has a better ypc, has better stats, why do Pats fans completely change the intent of the topic and the discussion and throw stats into their posts? It makes no sense.

Well I guess Rex could say Sanchise has a higher ceiling then Brady and we would just have to wait and see. If it makes you feel better, You just keep on waiting, and we'll just keep on producing and winning.

And who cares what Rex says? He's not a proven talent evaluator. He's a HC that knows how to motivate players by using tactics. Tactics that will ring hollow soon and he'll be zoned out soon Just like Parcells was after a few years.

Tick tock, tick tock...

 

[Rob0729]

Personally, I think McKnight's ceiling may be higher as a DB than a RB. He has done far more this season on defense than offense. Considering the Jets have no legitimate #1 RB and are averaging far less than 100 yards a game (71 YPG), the fact that McKnight is getting only six carries this season (all in garbage time vs. the Jags and even then he only got 14 yards on those six carries) is damning to his ceiling as a RB. It tells me it is very low.

I think if McKnight has any long term aspirations as a NFL player it will be a special teams specialist and possibly a safety or nickelback. If he was going to be like Woodhead or better, he would be on the field now not riding the bench like he has. This is just another case of Rex overhyping his players like he has in the past with guys like Gholston, Westerman, etc.

 

[Ring 6]

How is Greene not emerging? In both of his first two years, he's only gotten better, and has been a real weapon in the playoffs.

Wow. You'll make anything up to defense the Jests.
2009 5.0 ypc
2010 4.1
2011 3.1

How is that improving? The only time in his career he was above avg in ypc was his rookie year on 100 attempts mostly against terrible competition.
This guy is not a NFL caliber #1 RB.

This year, he's improved his pass receiving ability.

Because he got 7 dump offs for 47 yards against the Raiders? Otherwise 3 in 3 games, and zero last week. Yeah, what a weapon

You're going to knock him and the running game after 4 games, when the Jets have had injury issues? Blasphemy.

One injured player is not 'injury issues'. We for example, have missed 2 starting OL for most of the season and havent missed a beat.