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    Re: Six lobbyists for every member of Congress as healthcare industry heaps cash on p

    Glad to see it coming out even if it was in the UK, the lobbyist and big med insurance folks fed the hysteria during the town halls.. they helped with the 9/12 stuff, as much as many are discriminating.. there are a whole bunch of lemmings who follow their implicit orders...
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    I'll tell ya what - this is not all that's going on.

    I work for a physician who specializes in Sports and Rehab medicine. Five times in the last 3 weeks I've received the fax reprinted on the bottom of this post.

    You can't quite see it on the attachment, but each time we receive it my doctor's name is on it as one of the "concerned physicians" who are "advising" the GOP.

    No one ever ASKED him if he wanted his name attached to this. No one even asked if he supported their cause or not - they just keep sending it around to physician's offices, hospitals, clinics, etc. etc. God only knows where it's going or who is being led to believe that he's involved in this.

    Truth is, my doc is all FOR health care reform. And he's quite happy with Obama's proposal(s) as they currently exist.

    They did call the office twice in between sendings - and twice I informed them, in no uncertain terms, that we did NOT appreciate their unauthorized use of our name. It hasn't stopped them, however, they're still sending us the fax. I assume they're still sending the fax to everyone else, too - still using my doc's name without permission. In fact, using it after being expressly told not to.

    There was an article about it in Slate and Huffington Post a few weeks ago - right after we got the first batch of faxes and phone calls. Doesn't seem to do any good, tho, I got another one yesterday.

    The GOP's fake doctor council. - By Timothy Noah - Slate Magazine

    Don't ever let anyone tell you that the advertising tactics being used by The Right, or The Conservatives, or The Moral Majority, or The Tea Baggers or The GOP or whatever they are calling themselves nowdays are above-board and honest.

    I can attest to the fact that they're anything but.



    The GOP's fake doctor council. - By Timothy Noah - Slate Magazine

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    Prepare for your comments to be minimized... this is really great information.. have contended this all along, the folks who have the most to loose.. the ins companies are spending big bucks to stop this.
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    Interesting little list of exactly what congressman received what from drug companies and/or health insurers.

    In the first six months of the year, health care interests donated $19.7 million to all federal lawmakers. More than 40% — $8.1 million — went to the campaign and political action committees of lawmakers on the five House and Senate committees that are working on health care.

    Craig Holman, of the watchdog group Public Citizen, said the giving allows health care lobbyists "to get one-on-one time with officeholders" as lawmakers craft legislation.

    Chuck Grassley saw his health care industry donations soar this year — from $53,200 during the first three months of the year to $125,800 during the second quarter. So far this year, he is the top GOP recipient of health care industry donations in the Senate.


    You can find the entire comprehensive list in the link below.

    Health care lobbyists boost key players in debate - USATODAY.com
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    And ??? If anyone thinks this doesn't happen on both sides for all issues you are being silly. Just like obama is buying (with promises and threats) the support of the drug companies and others.
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    Please tell me the name of the group that is funding campaigs with millions to create a public option or single payer?

    what lobby is that again?

    I'd gladly throw them some $$$




    I'll wait for your answer.
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    Ya know what? I don't care if the Dems are throwing money at a campaign to support health care reform - I don't send the Dems my insurance premiums every month. I don't even care if the pharms are getting in bed with health care reform, or if a doctor's association is getting in bed with health care reform, or if any other non-premium collecting son of a biatch is getting in bed with them - so long as I am not the one whose money they are using.

    I DO care that my insurance premiums keep going up, my co-pays keep going up, my deductibles keep going up and the people who raise all those things are using MY dollars to buy lobbyists and politicians who will assure them that they will be allowed to continue raising MY expenses to them while they, in turn, are cutting benefits to ME.

    Anyone with an ounce of sense could figure that one out.
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    good to see ya back, Wes.
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    Did you read what I said ? Evidently not as I didn't say that.
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    Right, much better to borrow a trillion dollars and pay interest on that. That's a GREAT plan.

    We all want to control costs without slowing down better medical care but blaming insurance companies isn't the way to do it.
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    National Journal Online -- Under The Influence

    Before this buy, the coalition had already spent $7 million this year on advertising, according to the coalition's spokeswoman, Jacki Schechner.

    The coalition consists of some of the top-spending groups involved in the health care debate, like the AFL-CIO, the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees, the SEIU and the American Academy of Family Physicians.
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    Here is what you wrote...in a discussion about lobbyists...


    "And ??? If anyone thinks this doesn't happen on both sides for all issues you are being silly."


    I'm asking you to point out the lobby WE as the voting public have on our side.

    unless I'm missing what you meant boy "It happens on both sides"

    which is entirely possible.
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    getting close, but I was wondering about lobbyists giving money to CAMPAIGNS of politicians. You seem to be pointing out advertisments etc. Which is great for pointing out propoganda, burt not so good at buying an elected official's vote.

    Its hard for Max baucus to NOT listen to his 3 million in contributions. Its easy for MAx Baucus to not see the ads you refer to.



    ya hear me?
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    I was just supplying what you had requested. Do you really need to ask if those groups donate in large amounts to Senators?

    I'm out of here- got some things to do. This just happened to catch my eye.
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    By "it happens on both sides" I meant money, promises,threats, bribes, all the kinds of things that unduly influence people.

    Why do you think doctors and drug companies are falling in line ? Promises and threats from the obamans.
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    Thank you sir,I hope you are doing well.



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    Well, no. I think most doctors are in favor of a public option, because dealing with insurance companies is fukcing MADNESS. The billing alone will make your head spin.

    Its very important to understand the cycle of a senator or congressman, and where their heads are each and every day. They wake up every morning and have to raise money to get re-elected. I think its something like 10gs a day....it might be more, but still.

    When a President is elected by a mandate, and one that includes healthcare. When the congress has a 60 vote majority in the senate. They have the power of the people in their hands.

    When a bill comes out of conference, NOT containing a public option, and the head of the committee (a democrat) has gotten over 3 MILLION for his campaign from that special interest....who is on his mind when legistlating?

    All the will farrell ads in the world couldn't make a difference ... these people are concerned about the NEXT ELECTION....


    always.


    so what I'm asking is if we, as citizens, can contribute to a fund that will pay senators kickbacks for voting the way the PEOPLE want?


    If everyone gave a Dollar, that would be a fund of over $300,000,000...thats 3 million for EACH senator. MORE THAN enough to buy some TV ads, and would eliminate the corporate buy-in to these politicians.
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    No kickbacks but that's what the $1T is, a fund to buy votes that promises everything and, yet, seemingly no-one has to pay for.
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    that is classic...

    saved.
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    Most doctors I know (and, after spending the last 2 1/2 decades in various medical settings I know ALOT Of doctors) don't need to "fall in line." They've been in line for a long time now.

    No threats and no promises from "the obamans" at all were necessary.

    Doctors, nurses, paramedics, home health care workers, they are all on the front line and always have been.

    We became those things because we want to take care of people - and we want to do it to the best of our ability -and we want to be ALLOWED to do so. For everyone. Not just for those fortunate enough to have insurance.
    And we want to have the resources available which assures us that our patients are going to get whatever it is they need - at whatever price they can afford.

    Virtually all the doctors I know are 100% behind health care reform - and most of those are quite happy with the thought of a national health care plan.

    You really have no idea of how very little insurance companies actually pay a doctor, do you? Or how much trouble his office staff has to go through in order to collect that paltry amount? Or how often they refuse to even pay a claim? Or how reluctant a doctor is to bill his patient for something the insurance company refused to pay?

    No idea at all.

    None.
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    maybe I have to simplify it....


    Max Baucus - $3Million from the Insurance and drug loby

    Max Baucus: Campaign Finance/Money - Top Donors - Career | OpenSecrets


    who is he looking out for?


    Now.....if we as a population gave him 3 Million, would hge vote the other way?


    if so......whats going on?
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    Check out how well Medicare (aka, single payer) pays doctors.
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    Good point, but that really part of the REFORM....and it isn't like that in EVERY state. Some states run the reimbursment well, while other states are not fairly compensated. Its strange to me that simple solutions like the reform of the reimbursment rules aren't at the head of the table. Instead we hear about mandated care in private insurance, or dumb things like tort reform.

    Look at Missouri for all you need to know about healthcare reates and their relationship to Tort reform. (Hint...they go UP mysteriously)

    Instead of those saying "Here is a problem with medicare, a system that 94% of its patients like...lets try and fix this"

    you run and say "It doesn't work because these 6% of people are pissed about one aspect of it".


    if 30% of the people are fine with the current system, you pimp them...disregarding the 70% that want reform.

    its called "*****-Backwards"
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    And who would you have us blame?

    Here's a quick run down of a typical insurance payment:

    Bi-weeky cost of individual premium to employer: $ 250.00
    Bi-weekly cost of individual premium to employee: $250.00

    Cost of 1 session of Physical Therapy by physician - return visit: $195.00
    CoPayment by employee: 30.00
    Payment by Insurance Co. 24.65
    Write off by physician for privledge of being in the "plan" $175.35

    All of this is only, of course, if your INSURANCE COMPANY agreed with your PCP that you even NEEDED the PT as badly as your physician decided you did. If they do not, then their contribution is ZERO DOLLARS and you are liable for your copay plus the $24.65 - unless, of course, the insurance company decides it's YOUR fault you received a treatment they didn't think you needed - in which case you can expect to be liable for the entire $230.00 - even though they wouldn't be.

    All this is AFTER you meet your deductible, too.....which can range anywhere from $300.00 t0 $5,000. yearly. At the cost of this particular policy, the deductible is usually $400.00 a year....and that's not 2 sessions of PT $400.00 either - your deductible is satisfied only when the amount your insurance company would have maxed at paying $400.00 - so there's going to be a whole lot of visits before your deductible is met. Plus, if you have to pay the cost out of pocket because your insurance company denied the charge, it doesn't count towards your deductible at all.

    Trust me on this one: I do the insurance work at the doctor's office where I am employed. Some plans are a little better, some are a little worse. The better ones are usually run by the government - Medicare, TriCare (military) and Government Carefirst. The worse ones are the private insurers - United Health, Anthem, Cigna, etc.

    It's a fantastic little business they've got going. Most of them also demand sometihng called "pre-approval" for testing or hospital admissions, too. And they deny something like 1/3 to 1/2 of all physician requests. Making each request takes several hours and a ton of paperwork, causing the doctor to have to hire extra help in order to facilitate the paperwork.

    Certain insurance companies also make a practice out of routinely denying payment for bizarre reasons - the most common one being "not enough documentation" or "insufficient physician notes." Each time this happens I am required to resubmit the same paperwork, only this time with a letter of supplication and I need to send it certified mail - an added manpower drain and another unrecouped expense for the doctor. I always send the very same paperwork I sent the first time, I never send anything additional, and I almost always get paid the second time around - unless I don't - in which case I do it a third and fourth time until I do. They're jacking with me - hoping I'll give up and write the whole thing off so they can save themselves the $25.00.

    You still think the insurance companies are not at fault for what's happened to medical care?

    Give me a break.
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    You cite the number that want generic reform but less than 50% support what the obamans are cooking up. There's no 70% support for those bills.
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    It seems like every 4-5 months this debate comes up, usually revolving around BF. So i'm just going to cut and paste from the archieves.

    I was in the HC field for over twenty years, i saw the changes first hand, you don't know what your talking about. After insurance co.s took over it was all down hill. Heath care started to be dare i say rationed. Then the for profit co's came in and started running hospitals. Since this started in the earley eighties the cost of health care has gone through the roof. Its the main reason i left i couldn't take the insanity of it.


    Before insurance run for profit healthcare:
    Man comes in after having a stroke, he stays 6-7 weeks he leaves being able to speak pretty well and walk because in the hospital setting he was getting good care and rehab.

    After insurance run for profit health care:

    Man comes in after having a stroke on a tuesday, he has until thursday to get better, then it was off to the nursing home, Poor quality care and rehab.... Dumpping ground

    These two cases Really happened.

    The health care became "Rationed" just what the RT. claims will happen. It already has and is happaning.

    If i typed all i had to say, well i can't type that well.

    I like Obamas idea, if you like your health insurance you can keep it. If you don't you get the same as he and the Senators and Rep's get.

    One other thing in todays hosptitals you have a whole cadree of managment tha make more than the DR's. this is ridiculous. The last hospital i worked in the managment spent more money on how the hospital look than on increasing staff.

    They also came up with the idea of calling what we did a "product" and patients "customers" Everyone, everyone had to go to "charm school" for 8 weeks to take care of the "customers" The head of the E.R. resigned after being ther almost 25 years because of where the administration was putting the money.
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    On for profit health care

    Think about it everyone gets sick so theres always going to be health care. 25 years ago it wasn't looked at as a profit making bonansa, but insurance companies taking over changed that.

    IMO it comes down to this. If your sick you HAVE to seak medical attention, you'll pay anything you can. Its totally in-elastic. So people in the insurance and eventually for profit hospital buisness threw moaral standards out the window. Saying to themselves the hell with ethics, if i can make a dollar or several Billion . All made on the pain and suffering of millions of people
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    Well based on the Slate article the release wasn't sent out without the docs permission indeed the cover sheet solicited to doctor to endorse his name being attached to the release. What is wrong with that?

    If they had distributed the fax without seeking and receiving the permission of the doctors you would have a point.

    What a coincidence that you employer just happened tp get a fax aimed a pubbie docs in Ga. ;)
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    And you think government run health care will make that BETTER when the whole goal is to reduce costs ? This is supposedly being paid for largely with hundreds of billions in savings - SAVINGS = cheaper care. Savings won't get you more time in the hospital vs. the rehab center.

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