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Retirees Flock to Mexico for the Sun and the Health Care

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    But, our country is perfect. No one would ever want to leave for another country. The only way to improve our country is to cut taxes and services, and restore laws that protect the right for businesses to discriminate.
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    This is why FTW has not been posting ... he's been rounding up Americans trying to sneak into Mexico.
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    People with no insurance are going to mexico to get hip replacements at a fraction of the cost. People need to ask why it costs only a fraction in mexico. Why is a hip replacement so much cheaper in mexico, than it is here?
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    Malpractice ins.
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    If I could would move to Mexico in a heartbeat, probably in the Tulum area.. great people, simple amenities and a very nice climate...
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    Actually, the studies I've seen shows that it has very little effect on the cost of health services. Besides, I think it's more important to protect victims rights then insurance companies. I'd rather see us put more restrictions on insurance companies than on the rights of those who are victims of medical malpractice. Are you envious of the person who becomes a vegetable and then winds $6 million? What are you against here? The rare anomalous award?
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    An excellent example is Texas that enacted tort reform, the insurance companies benefitted, the doctors premiums went down, hospital insurance went down.. but the cost of medical care did not change, nor did health insurance premiums...

    How did this basic state right, not help the citizenry???

    Once again people want easy answers to complex problems...
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    I keep telling you people "Im srupid" there's something I can't figure out about all this, if Mexico is so great why in the hell did 12 million Mexicans leave that beautiful place in the middle of the night carrying their kids on top of their heads crossing the river, climbing fences and staggering through a desert with rattle snakes and coyote's on their ass and then when they get here they take their kids to our lousy hospitals..........:confused::confused:
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    Well, the doctor in the article cites the cost of insurance as the reason why he can charge $13,000 instead of $80,000.

    "We are using the same implants, same prostheses, same technique, but, here, we have a great advantage. We don't have the liability costs as you can find in U.S. I pay, as a orthopedic surgeon, about one-tenth of what a -- my colleague in the U.S. would pay for malpractice insurance."

    The whole article is pretty ridiculous though. First it is anecdotal evidence, there are no numbers here (at least in the transcript) for people that go to Mexico every year for surgery (I'm guessing that # is small). Second, you have the doctor basically promoting his business, so I would be wary of claims he makes. Finally, what does the article say about the Mexican program as a whole? Let's have a read:

    "But there are limitations to Mexico's government plan. Anyone with a preexisting condition is excluded. The facilities are not cutting-edge. And if you are not in need of urgent care, the lines are notoriously long.

    It's always overloaded with patients. There's hundreds of people waiting on waiting lists. Surgeries are -- there's waiting lists for surgeries for up to about six months. And, so, it's a system that you have to wait it out."


    Wow! Sounds great!

    The one interesting idea here is whether medicare should cover operations done overseas. I don't see why not, if the patient needs the procedure they should be able to choose where it is done, right? Although if it was going to be covered by medicare I don't know why the patient wouldn't choose the best hospital.
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    Hasta lavista baby! :D

    In all seriousness, I've been to mexico something like 9 or 10 times, and I think the place is amazing. Of course, I've seen dowtown Cancun, and worse, the non tourist portions of Tijuana, and those are places not even rodents would want to go.
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    Why Do They Leave This Beautiful Mexico By The Millions In The Middle Of The Night

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    Cancun is just a stop to get someplace else... have taken buses and stayed at various places all over the Yucatan, Isla Mujeres, Progresso, Merida, Tulim wonderful people... one time we took the bus to Belize, and then flew over to one the cayes.. did not like it there, so went back to Mexico..

    Funniest thing ever was was on a bus coming back from Belize to Mexico, they pulled the bus over and sprayed white stuff all over the wheel wells and undercarriage to stop bugs from coming into Mexico... you had to be there, but after a long day of traveling laughed my ass off.
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    Plain and simple, because the USA provides a better quality of life if you are an uneducated peasant who will be a drain on the system.
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    I've traveled many places in Mexico, from the tourist traps to Guadalajara......... The whole country is a sh!theap. I wouldn't have my toenails cut in Mexico, let alone any real surgery.
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    The method of the right is to silence the opposition.. a page out of the Rove/Rightie play book.. if you all had your way this forum would be renamed the Right Wing Circle Jerk Forum....

    Maybe you should avoid the tourist traps.. it is a beautiful country, with a beautiful culture..

    They have internet in Mexico, have posted from there before...
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    Not so fast Wes, but nice try on the “this country is better than the USA” theme you love to throw up posts about. I’m not so sure you really wanted to make a point about health care at all.

    The guy they interviewed paid them $13k as opposed to $80K to $120k here, so I can’t blame them for taking legal advantage of a service that they paid for out of their own pockets, after which they went back to their homeland to live where they were citizens.

    The easy explanation (spin) is that the Mexico picks up the $100k difference with their “better” health care system that serves everyone. Obviously the costs are way cheaper there though. I’d be fascinated to find out what the true expense was for the treatments and why it’s so cheap compared to ours. Insurance costs, cost of living and salaries are significantly cheaper there for sure.

    These aren't aliens flocking over to live the "Mexican Dream" illegally are they Wes? They do come back to their homeland don't they? Oops here comes gravity.
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    Yeah, and people cross the border to Canada to buy their drugs because of "malpractice insurance" too :)

    Good thing we have relatively open borders!

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    They also do it in northern border towns for Dental Care, a $1500 US procedure often costs about $400 in Canada... when I lived in Northern Maine, just about everyone used to go to Canada for Dental Care.. at that time you could just wave at the border guard in the shack...
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    By the way, since actual settlements for malpractice are miniscule compared to total costs, and since even defending against lawsuits is not close to addressing the differences we see here, it may be instructive to bear in mind that malpractice insurance is insurance. People don't write you a policy with a $100,000 premium because if you add them all up they equal what the insurance company spends. The premiums all added up are equal to what the insurance company can charge.

    Duh.

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    Texas is an excellent example of a state that enacted "tort reform", it has resulted in lower insurance premiums, lower settlements... but none of it has "tickled down" to the patient... hmmmm! how could that happen.
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    Calling BS on this claim- link to support, please.
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    once again the world does not work the way you want it to or believe it does.. BTW I agree with Tort Reform, but it is a state's rights issue... the feds should not be involved with this...


    Tort reform not shown to reduce patient premiums or defensive medicine

    Texas tort reform law held up as model, but its effect on patients is unclear

    Tort Reform Unlikely to Cut Health Care Costs The Washington Independent

    Medical negligence damage caps in Texas benefit only doctors, insurers | California Progress Report

    As health care bills wind through Congress, Texas health care leaders weigh the possible outcomes

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    You posted a claim without anything to back it up- don't give a smartazz reply because someone demanded that you back it up.

    Complete agreement...it's about something that is within the state's power to regulate and should be with the states to force and enforce on their own with their own standards and their own restrictions.
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    Well, cripes, no one's ever done that before.

    I hope it doesn't set precedence.
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    Mexico is so beautiful that 12 million people can't take it anymore, they "Snuck Out" and headed for "God Damn America"
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    We will all soon be going outside the US to get our health care. Government intrusion into the healthcare field has skyrocketed the costs, so much so, that it will soon become unaffordable. Most people without insurance (back when that was legal) would schedule operations in foreign countries because the care is equal but the costs are about 1/8th of waht it would be in the US.

    If anyone thinks that the government running the healthcare is going to make this problem any better, your insane!!!!!
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