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  1. patsfan13

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    Eight Pre-War Claims Refuted
    • No weapons of mass destruction of any kind were found in Iraq.


    Well strickly speaking this is incorrect. There were shells with Mustard gas and Sarin found Iraq. Even the Washington Post knew it.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A33082-2004May17_2.html

    Then there are the reports from multiple sources that WMD materials were moved to Syria. :

    http://www.2la.org/syria/iraq-wmd.php
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/mai...25.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/01/25/ixnewstop.html
    http://www2.nysun.com/article/24480
    http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewSpecialReports.asp?Page=\SpecialReports\archive\200602\SPE20060202a.html

    BTW as opposed to the claim in the headline NOWMD of ANY KIND found in Iraq, the info at the link qualifies the remark by saying "no stockpiles" quite deceptive , but typical of those seeking to spin rather than understand. Although I am sure the Ed Schultz crowd never noticed .
    So the first 'refutation is well BS. Truth is we don't know for certain.


    • No mobile biological weapons labs were found in Iraq.

    Some trucks were found, the story was they were for fertelizer not chem weapons. There are a few articles at captains quarters questioning the H2 concentrations and whether it was for fertilizer, not a big deal. IOW I don't care if the truck were mobile chem labs or not. Whne Powell did the presentation he said it was speculation and needed to be examined.


    • Iraq did not seek to acquire yellowcake uranium from Africa.

    This is nonsense. Even enemy of the administration J Wilson who was sent by his wife to sandbag the administration admitted under oath )duromg tje SSCI hearings) that Saddam made inqueries into getting yellow cake that were rebuffed IOW, Saddam was trying to get yellowcake.

    Here is a good overvoew with links.
    http://www.americanthinker.com/2005/07/about_that_500_tons_of_yellow.html


    • The aluminum tubes were not suitable for nuclear weapons development.

    They were determined to be dual use.


    • Mohamed Atta, the lead 9/11 hijacker, did not meet with Iraqi intelligence in Prague.

    The Czeck intel agencies maintains to this day that Atta did meet with Iraqi intel . Certainly when it was brought up by the administeration it was a credible eport. Many pieces of intel are never proven conclusivly. Not a key factor in taking out Saddam. Additionally there is a mountain of evidence on ties between Al Qudea and Saddam.

    • Iraq did not provide chemical weapons training to al-Qaeda.

    • There was no collaborative relationship between Iraq and al-Qaeda.

    • The implication that Iraq was involved in the attacks of 9/11 was untrue.


    Since no operational connection was evcr claimed so what?

    Here are a number of links to blogs referencing Iraqi Intel docs that document the relationship between Saddam and not just Al Queda but a number of Islamist terrorist org.

    These are in addition to the links to the pentagon report that established that Iraq was in contact with Al Queda and an array of terrorist orgs.

    A lot of the following links deal with IIS documents captured and translated. I jhave on this board linked to some of these documents before.

    Translation of Al Queda documents covering manyof the topics you mention: BTW when I have published these excerptssome have declared the docs forgeries created by the Pentagon. This notion was disproven when one doc showed plans for an Iraqi nuke. This was reported by no less than the NY Times. Additionally some of the docs showed kickback from the Oil for Food program to the Butros Ghali the head of UN, the site where the documents had been made public was subsequently shut down. So the docs are real and not fakes.

    http://www.freerepublic.com/~jveritas/

    http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/008423.php
    A good summary of the Wilson stuff with respect to the yellowcake matterr with numerous links,

    http://pierrelegrand.net/2005/11/29...ellowcake-corruption-cia-on-the-takeoh-my.htm

    Interview with Saddams's ambassador to Al Queda. Aslo refers to Iraqi terrorist training center at Salman pak.

    http://pierrelegrand.net/2004/02/24/107763156395669417.htm


    More on Saddam and wmd:
    http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=F715A709-2614-4EA5-967C-F6151F94A364

    Another article with links on the 500 pounds of yellow cake that UNMOVIC had left in Iraq, wonder what happens if the sanctions were lifted as the French and many dems were urging?
    http://www.americanthinker.com/2005/07/about_that_500_tons_of_yellow.html


    Below there are some other ifo I had posted about Saddam and his relationship with Al Queda including Al Queda blogs and a captured prisioner talking about training in Iraq before the war.
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    NEM on a thread where US soldiers were being smeared, asked again about why troops are in Iraq. I promised him a reply. The information about that warrented it own Thread. Hopefully this information will be helpful. Now that the pentagon report is actually out rather than spin from an unnamed source there is actual info from the post they tell a very different than the leak from CNN.

    a couple of articles and excerpts.

    http://www.nysun.com/article/72906

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/Conten...4/889pvpxc.asp

    http://hotair.com/archives/2008/03/1...oups-pentagon





    From the weekly standard quotes from the actual report




    from the reports conclusion

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    Translation froma jihadist (reprinted in full with the translators permission:


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    Now links to a few videos one of a captured Al Queda terrorist talking about raping and murdering civilian womn and he also discusses training in an AlQueda training facility in Iraq before the Invasion, the video was shown on Iraqi TV:

    http://regimeofterror.com/archives/2...terror_camp_1/


    Another video this from an Jihadist website talking about Al Queda returning to their training camps in Iraq.

    http://regimeofterror.com/archives/2...ments_husse_1/

    For those looking for info about Saddam and terror links the Regime of terror website is excellent.

    http://regimeofterror.com/
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    regimeofterror.com, NY Sun, Weekly Standard, americanthinker, freerepublic, and the same extrapolated assessments of the Pentagon's translation report... Wow... and you assail others for "leftist web sites"....

    It's obvious you put a lot of work into this latest round of crap.... bravo!
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    Well since the MSM refuses to talk about the captured Iraqi docs until the plans for the iraqi nuke was put on the web, when they demanded the doc release be stopped who else will publish the information.

    Then there are the links to the Jihadist websites where they brag about training n zIraq, are they aligned with Rush Limbaugh.

    This is the type of cowardice I expect from you no review of the docs just an ad hominum attack on the messengers as a cheap way to avoid talking about the information.


    Typical lack of depth from you.
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    Not that it matters to pressy but good job! Not sure if jack will be able to copy and paste a response!
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    Ironic stuff here, considering I view YOU as a coward, actually.

    Anyhow, I reviewed the documents. YOU didn't. You didn't even seem to know about the sentence in the report's conclusion that said no operative relationship was established ...

    We can talk about the information all you like, as we have in my 18 months here. Each time we do, you keep falling on your face. Because each time a Truther digs into a new Con man claim "justifying" their war, he finds worms. Every single time. Just gotta dig a little.

    You wanna have at it again, let's get it on. I'm ready.

    But, really, don't embarrass yourself further by suggesting I'm ever avoiding goofy you or your goofy argument. Never happened, never gonna happen.

    You want to rest your hat on the idea that the media is "avoiding" this Pentagon pdf report crap? It's not, but fine. So then explain to us all why the White House isn't trumpeting your "findings" from the roof tops like they usually do?
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    I for one would knock you off that grave!!
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    No you wouldn't NEM is a broken down old man.
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    Way to go, forum fraud.

    Interesting that you didn't respond to my previous offering, challenging you directly.

    Anyhow, here we... Here's your favorite TV network, admitting exactly the opposite (about those Iraqi documents you're trumpeting) that you're hoping to convery around here. Fraud.

    Pentagon Study of 600,000 Iraqi Documents Finds No Link Between Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein

    Tuesday, March 11, 2008
    FOX News

    WASHINGTON — A forthcoming Pentagon study has found no operational link between Saddam Hussein and Usama bin Laden's Al Qaeda terrorist network.

    McClatchy Newspapers reports that the study, expected to be released later this week, is based on an extensive review of more than 600,000 Iraqi documents that were seized after the U.S.-led war in Iraq in 2003.

    While there was no link to Al Qaeda, the investigation revealed that Saddam's regime gave some support to other terror groups in the Middle East, U.S. officials told McClatchy on condition of anonymity. But he targeted those he considered his own enemies, including Shiite Muslims, Kurds, exiles and others, the news service reported.

    Sponsored by the Pentagon, the report found no "direct operational link" between Saddam's government in Iraq and bin Laden's Al Qaeda terror ring before the U.S. invasion, an official told McClatchy.

    The Bush administration put forth the argument that there was a connection between Saddam and bin Laden when it made the case to go to war with Iraq after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the United States.

    Again... I seem to trust the world's collective intelligence assessments over your own curious "discoveries," Patsfan.

    As always... Good try.
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    The executive summary says no operational link. I have never said there was an operational link. The same report says there were links. IN fact links with Zawahiri going back to his days running the Islamic brotherhood.

    The links above excerpt the report and document the links. Note the fox report is dated 11 March before the report was release based on a 'leak' of a passage from the executive summary. So once again you are without a clue. Try again when you get a brain.

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