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Republicans support Obama's plan to leave 50,000 troops in Iraq

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  1. mikey

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    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/28/washington/28troops.html?_r=1&hp


    One of his most important campaign promises is to pull the troops out of Iraq in 2009, period.

    This is the issue that he said separated him from the other Democratic candidates.

    If he is willing to break this most important campaign pledge to the American people, what will he not do? :confused:


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    At least we agree on something. I for one could accept a residual force of maybe 10,000 troops at most, but "35,000 to 50,000"? That's not a residual force, that's an occupying force. I think Congress and the American public might be able to force his hand on this one, and I certainly expect the left to find this unacceptable.
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    Withdrawing troops from Iraq is Obama's defining issue in the primary.
    Many people voted for him on this pledge alone.
    And for him to casually and blatantly disregard this most important campaign pledge is unbelievable.
    I have never trusted this guy.
    His explanation that he never heard Jeremiah Wright "god-damned America" rant in 20 years of attending Wright's church is an outright lie.
    He is just another lying politician from Chicago's poltical cesspool that gave you Blagojevich, Burris, Wright, Ayers.
    This guy is not the "son of God". He is the son of Chris Matthews, Keigh Olberman, MSNBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, and NYTimes.
    And for these "mainstream" media to ignore his bogus birth certficate is incredible.

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    I thinkhe's using the troop number as a bargaining chip with Republicans and Democrats. I think his proposal very much ties into his aim of getting his budget passed. That said, I'd certainly attend an anti-Iraq war march again if one is organized.

    As far as his birth certificate, I don't know why you don't see it as nonsense. After all, the Supreme Court has never even defined what "natural born citizen" means, and they're surely not going to do so now to oust a popularly elected president.

    At any rate, does this describe you?

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    * anomia, the respondent stated a belief that he/she felt alienated or disaffection relative to “the system;”
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    #91 Jersey

    We could never just go and leave a power vacum there. I had this same argument a couple of years ago with someone here. Right now Iraq is to fragile,one of the Gen. we trained could go for a power grab. Or the different groups could go after if we weren't there in some form to keep them apart if things get rough.
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    #75 Jersey

    Bogus arguement.
    The logic behind explaining that we have to stay in Iraq because we are in Iraq does not exist. Acting illogically because we have acted illogically up until now is the definition of insanity. It is the same excuse the Bush Admin used for the last 6 years. Troops are still getting killed and maimed. You and Patters are making up excuses for Obama's BIG LIE. If troops are still in Iraq by May of 2010, then Obama is officially a liar, if he isn't already, and he owes an apology to the People...especially his Secretary of State.
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    You think too much, Patter.
    The non-troop withdrawal is not a bargaining chip.
    In the immortal words of someone I know, "it is what it is".
    It is an abrogation of an important campaign pledge.
    It is a true reflection of Barack Obama.
    I hope you will take off your rose-colored glasses and teen-age infatuation and accept this man for who he is - a corrupt socialist who will say anything to get what he wants.

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    #91 Jersey

    Wistah your the one i had the tiff with. I think until Iraq truly gets back to being a real country there has to be someone there to keep it on the right path. Our military is going to be hold up in bases far away from the action and will only be called upon if someone really gets out of had. I don't see them patroling the streets of Bahgdad,or Falugia like we see them now.
    As far as lies go we just got ride of a potus that could never admit being wrong. It could be that after becoming potus "0" learned from sitting in on defense meetings that the better safer way was this. So instead of being full of resolve to stay the course he said "ok i was wrong we can't just pack up and leave" I personally like that. a person that when it turns out their wrong doesn't let his ego get in the way.
    I was going to leave it at that but then i realized that the troops staying aren't neseccarily combat troops. Their there to continue to train the Iraqies. And if needed diffuse tensions between rival factions.
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    A minimum of 2/3rds out by the end of 2009 and all out by 2011 seems reasonable to me. The key is a firm commitment to hit zero in the foreseeable future.

    I would like to point out the absurdity of claiming Democrats march in lockstep when Pelosi and Reid are already squawking about the numbers.
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    I'm not sure where you dislike for Obama is coming from, but you're starting to sound a little like Harry Boy (whose exaggerated opinions I rather enjoy). There's no evidence Obama is corrupt (not yet, anyway); there's no evidence he's socialist; there's no evidence that he was not born in the USA (unless you trust an Indonesian school record more than the Hawaii records dept.); and his troop withdrawal plan will end all combat operations, but honor the military pact that Bush signed with the Iraqis to keep some US presence until 2011. I disagree with Obama's respect for anything Bush did, but I suspect there's plenty of historical precedence for him doing that.
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    People should have consulted me, I predicted this LIE the first time I heard Prince Obama speak, right after my legs stopped tingling.

    America has been taken, "by a professional bullsh!t artist" and he is also the perfedct Poster Boy for the "goo goo liberals".

    WHAT A BEAUTIFUL SPEECH I THINK I'M GOING TO FAINT
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    #75 Jersey

    I don't remember Our disagreement, but it's very likely. This is an issue that is at the core of my collective world view. It goes along with the concept that we should have no troops based on foreign soil. We don't even need to do it at this point. A carrier fleet could annhilate most enemies. We don't have bases abroad for defense or rapid response...we have them to project our political and economic will abroad. Imagine Russian or Chinese bases in Brazil or Guyana! There is an arrogance and stupidity about having bases in Japan, Korea and KofSA, don't you think? The arguement could be made that our base in KofSA led directly to the destruction of the WTC and is the root of Muslim extremists' cause for Jihad.
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    Mikey....talk about RANTS! We know where you stand on Obama. We've known it for weeks now. Yet you seem to think you have to express it here everyday.

    Again, we know where you stand and we don't give a fukkc. Is that plain enough for you?
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    So the pubbies are being bipartisan when bo isn't being a radical socialist nutjob....
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    #91 Jersey

    It was very minor,m we just disagreed about leaving a force in iraq while the main force left. I agree with what you post about 99% of the time.
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