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    I think we knew this already but . . .

    Report: Patriots not planning to franchise Wes Welker - NFL.com

    The source is Borges so take that as you will.
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    Expected, and I don't blame them. Still want him signed, but I've resigned myself to the reality it probably won't happen as he wants too much. Been awesome having you around Wes.
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    They dropped the ball last year with their 2/16 offer in my opinion. That's when they really should have come to terms. It would have avoided the 10 million dollar hit last season, and they'd probably only have either 2-3 yrs left on the deal right now. It could even be looking like a steal at the moment, as he put up another huge season last year again.

    My worry is that he's about 75-80% gone, maybe even more if Belichick has been preparing for this and planning on the change.

    I just hope they have something else in mind, but whatever it is it's likely going to take at least 2 players to pull off, and even then we're still going to lose production and reliability.

    If he isn't brought back then we should start to expect some of our own retained along with a potential higher end signing or a couple of middle end signings on defense for sure. I do not think that we should start talking about a big name WR though, I just don't see that happening with the names that are out there and the money they'd cost.
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    Why would we draft a smaller, slot receiver who will not be as good at that as Welker? Wouldn't a bigger and faster receiver be a better fit for our needs. AHern and Vereen can move the sticks in the short-passing game. Along with Gronk. If you have more speed outside, in theory it should open things up for them.
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    IMHO, passing on Welker would mean that we would keep Lloyd, re-sign Edelman (and probably Woodhead), draft a WR and sign the usual half dozen wider receivers in free agency.
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    They HAVE to keep lloyd and resign edleman..as well as get a few good guys in FA ( not many this year..most will fetch too much $$) and draft...welker is gone and it sucks but it is what it is. Hopefully he doesn't go to denver...
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    I think he's the one that dropped the ball :bricks: :bricks: multiple times
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    Stokely is still an absolute steal in Denver for his low cost, and he's coming off his best season since 2008, not to mention his rapport with Manning.

    That would also take away from guys like Decker and D.Thomas who both put up almost 100 catches, and are still climbing for the future. I think they'll want to continue to have those 2 as their focal points, with Stokely and Tamme as the "other guys." (who can catch 45-50 passes)

    I don't think he goes to Denver for that kind of money myself. I think that concern is overrated personally.
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    If denver wants to win now...and they have to with manning only having a few years left..they will make it happen if they want
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    In all seriousness, offering a 2/16 contract to a guy who has outproduced players like C.Johnson and L.Fitzgerald who are making 125-140 million is a bit absurd.

    I still believe that Welker would stay here for less than any other team, but that he wants something respectably "fair."

    2/16 isn't even anything towards fair. I still wonder what would have happened if they would have kept the aav at 8, but just added another year or two? I think it would have gotten done myself, especially last year. I think Welker wanted something more long term, and I wonder if 3/24 or 4/32 would have been enough. I think it would have, but those 2 are far apart from 2/16.
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    Denver,like New England has glaring holes in the secondary and that includes an aging Champ Bailey.

    The Broncos might go after Talib if he shops the market is more of my concern
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    Joking aside I think 3/24 would have been perfect maybe even 3/27 we should've gotten it done.

    He's going to get 4/40 from someone now
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    Awesome news. Hopefully he won't be resigned either.
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    This is moronic if he can be signed for a reasonable deal you take him back with open arms.

    And I'm one of the biggest proponents of using the money that would be used to pay Welker to be used for getting an outside guy, I'd take him in a heart beat for 8 million a year it just probably won't happen.
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    Of course he out produces Fitzgerald, the dude is playing with scrubs like Kolb, Skelton, Lindley, etc.. And I hope to god you're talking about a different C. Johnson. I refuse to believe you think Welker brings a similar game to the field as Megatron.
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    It's always possible. Watched a few West Virginia games and this kid seemed explosive. Very similiar numbers to Welkers college days. Great production and will probably light it up pretty good at the combine. Personally I think he could be a deep threat in his own right but it will be a learning curve to beat press coverage early. I think he succeeds as a good pick and fit.

    Still want a deep threat though. Need to be able to shift gears when someone figures it out. Need to be able to run more than just a 2 TE 2 WR offense. Take into account injuries and have other formations to fall back on that you still do well.
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    I love Wes, but do you really think he poses the same type of threat as those receivers? Danny Woodhead might have better stats than Earl Campbell one year, but i don't think that would mean he is a "better" runningback or substitute. Welker is a short slot receiver who is the best at what he does, but a direct comparison with those players is pointless.
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    Falcons sign Welker and White, Jones, and Welker are introduced 2010 heat style.
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    Yes, I agree with you. A bigger outside WR is clearly the higher priority, but a lot of things as we know come to finances and Austin is an explosive slot playmaker who in time could very well be as good as Welker all on a rookie contract. Not to mention the ST teams benefit he would bring.
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    Value per cap dollar spent he outproduces them by a mile while allowing you to have the kind of QB you can win with. Fitz and CJ can't make their teams better absent a franchise QB. Welker helped this team win 11 games with Cassel under center... They cost twice as much as he could have been signed for.

    I hate it when Borges is right but he nailed this one. Basically flushing out what this former agent laid out on NFP back in January.

    Patriot games | National Football Post

    WELKER

    From here on out when players hold out or call Kraft names I'm going to support their actions. Because guys who try and meet them half way get **** on. And that does more internal damage in the locker room than any player cautioning teamates to get yours.

    Someone commenting on Borges article said Kraft reminded him of a politician's saying that when he wasn't kissing babies he was stealing their lollipops.

    Welker wanted a deal similar to what Vince and Mankins got. $18-20M in signing bonus (Mankins actually got $30M guaranteed) and $8M+ AAV. Welker said they offered him less than $16M guaranteed after the 2011 season. That was because they weren't really offering him that 2 year deal apart from adding it to his remaining 2011 season at $2.15M which would have resulted in a 3 year $18M deal or $6M per. So the guaranteed or signing bonus money last season was likely reduced to $12M. The agent did say they remained about $6M apart...

    This isn't about lawyers screwing things up or an unrealistic player looking for top tier money which at the WR position is $12-16M per with $25M-50M guaranteed. I know Welker loves playing with Brady and his teamates but (being as I tend to be vindictive in similar situations) if I were him I wouldn't even take their phone calls at this point. Same thing that happened with Adam. Insulting offer to the guy you were certain you could get away with it on.
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    It's a difference of opinions, but a strong argument could be made.

    No one else has had 5/6 100+ receptions in the past six years, and Welker not only leads all receivers in the NFL during that span, but he does it very easily as the only other receiver is 80 catches away.

    He doesn't need to "pose a threat" on the outside, as you say. He constantly beats double team coverage and keeps opposing DC's up all week trying to gameplan around him.

    It isn't as simple as the argument of "yeah, but he can't beat someone on the outside." What Welker does is something that no other receiver has been able to do on a consistent basis.

    If he wasn't in their category than how did he lead the entire NFL in YACs again this season? He may not have the same skillset as Fitzgerald and C.Johnson, but they don't have the same skillset as Wes Welker either.
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    Please stop looking at stats and take off the Patriot homer glasses. Have you even spent time watching Fitzgerald or Johnson play? Their talent is in a league of their own, Welker does not compare as a receiver.

    I'm truly shocked that someone is actually trying to compare Welker to Megatron / Fitz based off number of receptions.
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    So a guy who says he hopes that Welker isn't brought back doesn't want comparisons made when they point out Welker's strengths.



    I, too, am "truly shocked".
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    Have you watched anything but ESPN highlights? Your posts are mind numbingly dumb.
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    You may have forgot but that 11 win team was 18-1 the previous year. The 2012 Lions and Cardinals had a fraction of ability the 2008 team had. You really think the Lions would have a better record this year if they replaced Johnson with Welker? LOL...
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    Not much of surprise. Never thought Welker would be franchised.

    I don't know if the market will be great for him or not though. Either teams will believe he is a product of Brady and the system and too old to get a big deal especially with the hits he takes or they will be all over him trying to get him. I think people are jumping the gun think it will be one way or the other.

    Unfortunately, it will only take one team to overvalue him to make him too rich for the Patriots blood.

    But people slammed the Pats in the past for the way they handled contracts like Wilfork and others and they worked out. Rarely, have their hardball tactics really blown up on them. Hopefully this won't be exception to the rule.

    Then again, the Pats may be ready to move on from Welker and may decide another WR on the market is what they want to change their ever changing offense. We are a month away from free agency and there is no use killing the team until we see the chips fall. For all we know, Welker could be re-signed before free agency even begins.

    I always wait for all the chips to fall before I make judgements. It is too easy to jump the gun with reports like these especially by a guy with an agenda against Belichick.
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    This is what really worries me about Welker hitting free agency.

    I got to believe a decent amount of teams will see what Welker has done for the Patriots offense and hope it translates to theirs. Once GMs consider he's been a part of two of the top four single season offenses of all time.. Welker could realistically end up with a huge overpay from a team trying to take a shot at the Super Bowl next season.
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    Didn't they apply the tag to Adam V. in 2002 and 2005???
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