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  1. mayoclinic

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    This from rotoworld today:

    Fantasy Football, Baseball and Basketball - news, projections, rankings, draft guide - Rotoworld.com


    If the Raiders do cut him, any thoughts on whether he'd be worth a flyer given our needs at S? He has great athletic ability. Moss might have some insight on whether he's a potentially goood player in a bad system or a true bust. There would probably be some demand, but after the Raiders he might consider going to a team with a history of successfully taking on Raiders misfits such as Moss and Lamont Jordan.
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    I'm sure they will be looking into it.
    At least, I would think he's worth considering.
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    He's an awful tackler and he is constantly burned in coverage. No thanks.
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    He hasn't really impressed me, but maybe the pats will give him a try.
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    No thanks. I think being only a few years away from being the #7 pick in the draft, someone will offer him alot of money. Regardless of his past performances, some coaches and scouts will blame the poorly managed and coached Raiders as the reason for his failure to play up to his potential. Im sure playing on the Raiders could be a good reason for his poor play, but I still think someone will give him alot of money.

    Id much rather have Sean Jones from Cleveland. I think he would be perfect next to Merriweather in the secondary. And I think he would cost less then Huff. And if Huff gets released maybe it pushes Jones a step further down the free agent list of safeties which seems to be deep this year. And thats one less position we need to worry about in the draft, at least in the first few rounds.
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    He must be worth a flyer, worst comes to worst we cut him after training camp. I love the idea, he was a beast out of college and everyone sucks while on the raiders (see moss).
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    Remember the last two players we got after they played for the Raiders turned out all right. He was highly rated and if cheap then lets take a flyer on him:rocker::rocker:
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    So will Al Davis once again tell the player and his agent that they're free to go anywhere they want, except to Denver and New England?:D
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    Considering some of the stiffs that we've brought into camp the last few years, it would seem lik e a no brainer to me.
    If nothing else, maybe they could try plugging him in to the hybrid position where Tank Williams was working.
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    This kid was so good at Texas...maybe he's more of a nickleback or a free saftey.
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    I'd find it hard to believe that he's washed up, or that BB could'nt do something with him.
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    Does anyone know that if a player is released before FA begins, is he free to sign with anyone right now or does he have to wait till FA begins? Also because he has been in the league for a short time is he part of the waiver process?
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    I am pretty sure if you are released from a contract you do have to clear waivers.
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    I didn't much care for him coming out of college and I still don't. I'd rather find someone in the draft, especially if Moore slips into the second round.
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    Have you forgotten the Belichick way? He usually does BOTH...:eek:
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    If a player has four years of service and is placed on waivers between February 1 and the trading deadline, he's free to work out any deal with any team without going through waivers. The only time waivers kicks in is if a veteran is cut late in the season, or if it's a guy with three or less years of playing time.

    Huff's rookie season was 2006, so since that's three years I take it that he would have to clear waivers first. However, I doubt anybody would claim him on waivers since that means they have to honor his contract if I'm not mistaken. I don't know what he's due to make this year but his rookie contract was for $43 mil total.
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    Before people get too excited about this "opportunity," let's examine the players New England has had from the Raiders:

    - Moss: A big money Free Agency signing by the Raiders, he was one of the elite WRs in the NFL prior to being 'Raiderized.'
    - Jorden: A big money Free Agency signing by the Raiders, he was a dependable reserve RB behind Curtis Martin who had some very big games against New England and had a big first season as the Raiders' feature back prior to his 'Raiderization.'
    - Gabriel: Drafted by Oakland, he was all potential with minimal production.

    When assessing Huff, which profile above more closely fits his situation?

    Pass.
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    He did not start but a few games and played in a very dysfunctional team under two head coaches in 2008. This kid was a good player in 2007 when he was a SS for much of the season. Then they switched him to FS. You can see his game went down. He is 207 LBS. Can't tackle? What? He had 85 tackles in 2007. Our starting safety Mr. Sanders had 64 tackles. In 2006 Huff had 64 tackles as a rookie.

    Can't cover? What ? He had 11 PDefs in 2007 and an INT. Our staring saftey Mr. Sanders had 5 PDefs.

    He has been bounced around by that team like a ping pong ball from CB to SS to FS. He is only 25 years old.

    To all of you "no thanks" dudes. Thanks for your input and opinions. I believe he is an upgrade and might work well with Merriweather.
    DW Toys
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    Seems like the kind of underperforming former high draft pick that Dan Snyder loves collecting.

    I'm not -- along with probably 95% of this board -- qualified to talk about Huff's play, as the few times I've seen Raiders games the past three years I haven't exactly been scouting their defensive backfield.

    But I'd expect BB to do his due diligence on the guy ...
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    The more I think about it, the more I want to bring this kid in so we can "kick his tires".
    This is the kid from Texas, right?
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    Yes
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    There is no reason not to give him a try. Cheap, potenial, young, and if he doesnt work out we could just cut him.
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    YES YES YES.. Sean Jones should be seriously considered by the Pats.. Georgia product that has the nack of getting to the ball and the versatility to play towards the line..
    Browns and Pats play very similar defenses.. This is almost a no-brainer!
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    DW toys nice info on Huff.. I like others think it wouldn't hurt to kick the tires and see what BB could do with him..


    But I want to throw out another name out there for everyone.. Roy L. Williams.. Rumor has it he's getting cut..

    In his 1st three years of the league he averaged around 90 tackles, 9 Pass Defends and a couple of INt's.. The past couple of years with coaching changes and philosphies, he's bulked up and see his production go down..
    He hits like Harrison and he'll be 29 when the season starts..
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    He's terrible in coverage, though, and people here already act as if every 2 yard pass completed by the opponent was really a 100 yard touchdown pass.
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    I recall a few times see Eagle Wr's run by him for Td's.. But he was a talent and played at a high level for a few years.. He had a fair amt of pass defenses..


    But in a way I'm glad to see people posting here that we need a serious upgrade over Sanders.. I've been preaching for a while he's a JAG at best.. Good tackler but nothing more..
    Our Defense has really gone down hill due to our safety play or lack of it. With Harrison being injuried the past few years and Eugene Wilson career and talent going down the toilet, we were exposed so many times down the middle and over the top.
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    I don't have the same disdain for Sanders that you and Toys do. I think he's a starter in the NFL, and I think he was put in a position where failure was guaranteed last season. However, I am by no means opposed to an upgrade at safety.
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    I think it's worth taking a look at Huff. I don't know the details of his current contract, but I think that if there is still a lot of money remaining on it he will probably clear waivers. His productivity doesn't seem to warrant picking up a big contract.

    Assuming he clears waivers, giving him a look and a chance at a new start with a winning team would seem to make sense. He's young, athletic, and his good size and speed. He has the athleticism and all-around game to do well opposite Meriweather, and he did better at SS than FS for Oakland. He could be a bust, but he could also be a decent player screwed up by overly high expectations, coaching and scheme changes, etc. If he did well he could easily play his way into a starting role for a championship caliber team. It will be interesting to see if Cleveland goes after him, since they need secondary help and Bob Ryan coached him at Oakland.

    Sean Jones would certainly be a good FA pickup, but it's by no means certain that we can get him. I'm not saying Huff over Jones at this point, just that Huff is another option worth looking at.

    I don't think Roy Williams is an option. He's purely an in the box guy who is probably best used as a hybrid SS/LB at this point. I think we value overall play (both run and pass) too much to go for him. Can't see him covering TEs much less WRs, whereas Huff has the speed and fluidity that converting him to CB was once considered seriously.

    I think Otogwe may get franchised, and if he hits FA is likely to be too pricey for us, and is more of a pure centerfielder. He's sort of the opposite of Roy Williams - nice against the pass but limited against the run. Not worth it to my mind for the $$.

    Of those options, I think that Sean Jones and Huff offer the greatest likelihood of being good fits. Again, Huff may be a total bust, but it's worth a look, and I'm sure that Moss and Jordan would have good insights about him (even though I don't see Jordan coming back he seems to have had a good relationship with the Pats and would probably be able to give input).

    I'd personally be ecstatic if we could resign at least one of the Sanders guys and one of the other Sanders/Sean Jones/Huff. We would be going in to the draft with 3 players at S as opposed to 1 right now. If we could resign both Sanders and one of Jones/Huff then I think we would be in really good shape, and would not be under pressure to pick up a S early in the draft.
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    I don't have disdain for Sanders. I think he's a solid player and would be worth keeping if we can resign him for reasonable money. But I think that we could do better at starting S opposite Meriweather, and would be happier with Sanders as a 3rd S in a rotation. We need fresh bodies and backups for injuries. I think Sean Jones would probably be an upgrade over Sanders, but he may be pricier.

    Belichick seems to like Sanders. He was very complementary about his improvement during the 2007 season, and I haven't seen anything to indicate that he has soured on Sanders since then. I think it is mainly a question as to how open he is to resigning for a reasonable contract (something like $1.5-2M/year would seem about right to me; maybe $2.5M tops).
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    Michael Huff was the top DB out of college and he is a hidden gem.

    The Raiders messed him up and didn't know how to use him.

    This isn't the first time the Raiders have completely messed up a talented player, who went on to great things after they left
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