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  1. Patriot_in_NY

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    NO, not THOSE reparations. I mean new ones -LIKE THESE-

    Monday, May 07, 2007

    Dems Offer Reparations to Guam For Japanese War Crimes


    That's correct... Democrats are bringing legislation to the floor this week to pay Guam citizens for the crimes committed against them by members of the Imperial Japanese military forces during World War II!

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    Imagine that. We now should feel obligated to pay reparations for other countries. Of course, according to Hoyer&Co., Somehow, someway........ America musta been at fault for all this anyhow, so we should just pay up. I swear, this congress is OUT OF CONTROL.

    Correct me if wrong, but did we NOT already pay ENOUGH reparations in blood & treasure giving Guam back to it's people back in 1944.

    Perhaps a scan over the names of the -10,000+ casualties- we suffered might jog everyones memory some.


    { ......in the interest of fairness. I said all "democratic", but they did manage to pull along that republican moron Burton (R-In). Actually, I'm surprised they got him off the golf course long enough to sign on :rolleyes: ......}
     
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    I don't know the issue, but the legislation has bipartisan support, including the support of the very conservative Sensenbrenner, Dan Burton, and a number of other Republicans.

    http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c110:2:./temp/~c1105N5xJr::

    My guess is that this is something that was long overdue. Perhaps Guam vets of WWII were not given the same benefits has other vets.

    My advice is, don't trust your right-wing websites without doing a little further investigation. They have an agenda, and experience tells us there's no one better at deceit and distortions than the right wing.
     
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    Utterly outrageous. Don't blame the Dems on this though, there are culprits on both sides of the isle. This is why niether party's apporval ratings are above 40%. Of course, we need to tax more because the government needs more "revenue" to move the country forward. :rolleyes:

    When will people see that the people in office, at least 70-80%, are evil POS' who have zero regard for our hard earned cash. :(
     
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    The "New Far Left Socialist Liberal Hollywood Bastards" have turned the once Great Democrat Party into a bunch of crazy f-cking lunatic vicious looney hateful scumsucking pitiful maggots.

    George Soros, Sean Penn, Susan Sarandon, Streisand, Auntie Pelosi, and Weasle Slinky Reid now run the Democrats, these filthy vermin are a bigger threat to America than the Muslim Terrorist is.

    If Obooma or Pant Suit Hillary want to go to the White House thay better straighten these Anti American Slop Pigs out.
    :bricks:
     
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    In all fairness, how can you be so critical of this bill without understanding the background?

    I'm not saying the bill is legitimate, but the committee that recommended the reparations is headed by a Bush appointee. Indeed, if the people of Guam were treated unfairly because they were from a territory, as opposed to a state, then it's not unreasonable to acknowledge their contributions to the war effort and treat them as we had treated others. Is it kneejerk cheapness that motivates you or simply that you don't feel the people from Guam should be treated like other Americans?

    About the bill and the committee:
    http://www.guampdn.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070508/NEWS01/70508001/1002
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Claims_Settlement_Commission

    About Guam during WWII:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guam

    "During World War II, Guam was attacked and invaded by the Japanese armed forces on December 8, 1941. Before the attack, all military dependents were transported from the island and away from imminent danger. The Northern Mariana Islands had become a Japanese protectorate before the war. It was the Chamorros from the Northern Marianas who were brought to Guam to serve as interpreters and in other capacities for the occupying Japanese force. The Guamanian Chamorros were treated as an occupied enemy by the Japanese military. After the war, this would cause some resentment by the Guamanian Chamorros towards the Chamorros in the Northern Marianas. Guam's occupation lasted for approximately thirty-one months. During this period, the indigenous people of Guam were subjected to forced labor, family separation, incarceration, execution, concentration camps and prostitution. Approximately a thousand people died during the occupation according to Congressional Testimony in 2004. The United States returned and fought the Battle of Guam on July 21, 1944, to recapture the island from Japanese military occupation. The U.S. also captured and occupied the Northern Marianas. After the war, The Guam Organic Act of 1950, which established Guam as an unincorporated organized territory of the United States, provided for the structure of the island's government, and granted the people United States citizenship."
     
  6. Patriot_in_NY

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    This is NOT for Guam vets, this is for the citizens of Guam. They undoubtably suffered horribly at the hands of the Imperial Army.

    btw, you are correct about bipartisan support, but this is driven by Dems, namely Hoyer and Bordallo (she's from Guam - so this is pork for her).



    I don't need a lesson on Guam (but thanks), I have a relative on the list (WIA). He's dead now, but I'm sure this would offend the hell out of him. This should actually be offense to many people. We are not responsible for the deaths that occured at the hands of the Imperial army.
     
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    I think the question is how did we treat other Americans who were victims during WWII? I don't know the answer to that, but if we treated the Guam citizens differently then that's unfair and should be corrected. The article I linked to says, "The bill is based on recommendations from the Guam War Claims Review Commission, which found that Guamanian Chamorros, were not treated the same as other Americans on war claims matters." It also says that the bill will need 2/3rds support in the House to pass, so I doubt if this bill will go anywhere.
     
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    I dunno, if I was a taxpayer who's very existence was a result of my grandfather being hidden from the Japanese Army by a bunch of native Guamites(?) and if it occurred to me that if it wasn't for those people, Gramps might very well have been strung up by his ankles and used for bayonet practice, I might be willing to throw them a bone or two today. Especially considering the fact that money was promised decades ago.

    I do think a 'society' to 'society' type gift might be better instead of cash payments though. Maybe some hospitals or a few miles of paved road or some other infrastructure-type stuff would be more suitable?
     
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    I've no problem if they want to reward the people of Guam for loyalty and heroic actions, but simply to give them money because they suffered at the hands of the Imperial Army.

    The French were quite loyal too, and they suffered mightily. Do we now compansate them for there WW2 losses to the Germans?

    This is not really left/right at it's core, it's right/wrong. The left is pushing it, because that are the socialist "everyone derserves something" party. Bottom line, It's not our fault. If the people of Guam want reparations, they need to look to Japan, not the US.
     
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    I could see that. There'd be some debate, but its way less offensive.
     
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    You're such a liberal loon sometimes. Why on God's (sorry, religious overtones :D ) green earth would I care if a Bush appointee put forth this retarded bill? I couldn't care less if my mom and dad were trying to pass this lunacy. Like someone in here said, was our blood not enough? Sue the fricken Japs, they got the money. This is such BS. Retard spenders in this country say people like me don't care about children or the poor, while I cite fiscal sanity. These same loons are now trying to hand my hard earned cash to someone in Guam because of something someone else did to them 60 years ago. This is lunacy. Instead of giving the money to these people, give it to the poor people we have here then, but don't call me evil because I actually care about where my tax dollars go. This is the problem with retarded government. Mental midgits think that there is a printing press in the basement of the White House, and that we'll just recycle some old newspapers and print another stack of Benjamins to pay for all this. Of course, then they point at retarded, record, idiotic spending and say we need to tax more, ahem, raise "revenues". Oh, and when people realize you mean raise taxes, all you need to do is say "but only for the rich!".

    The sooner this country goes bankrupt, the happier I'll be. :D
     
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    #24 Jersey

    Patters, feel free to donate to some fund for Guamians - and leave my tax dollars the f*ck alone.
     
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    Let The Japs Repriate Them, Jesus H Christ What The Hell Is This Country Turning Into

    Why Don't We Send Some Money Over To Bin Laden And Tell Him We're SORRY For Getting Him Mad At Us

    Find Hitlers Bones And Bury Them In Arlington Cemetery, Carve These Words On His Stone,

    Dear Adolph
    We Are Sorry
    We Won

    F-cking Looney Bastards
     
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    Thanks for the wiki history lesson :rolleyes:

    Guam was taken over by an occupying force. They'd remained loyal (all they really were before WW2, was a pit stop for American ships), mostly because of the brutality of the Japanese. As far as material help, they OFFERED next to none in invasion planning, assistance and forces.

    The re-taking of Guam came almost exclusively on the backs of the United States Marines 3rd Division and the United States Army 77th Infantry Division (at great cost I might add). The people of Guam did what most everyone does in the face of an overwhelming occupying force...... Capitulate. Offering token resistance whenever/wherever possible.

    Post war, the Mariana Islands (both Guam and the Northern Islands -Saipan and Tinian) have arguably benefited more than any other WW2 involved pacific island from the generosity of the American people. While the northern Islands are officially a commonwealth. The military bases and tourism prop Guam up quite nicely and they are perhaps better of then the northern islands.

    Like I said, you want to throw them a bone for loyalty and build them another school or something, have at it. But if they are looking to get paid for 60 year old suffering, look elsewhere.

    If anything, they ought to pay reparations to the brave boys that had to wrest that sh!tty hunk of volcanic rock from their imperial invaders.
     
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    The Japanese refuse to even admit they did anything wrong in WWII so the people of Guam will never get a penny from them. This is what we get for taking on a internationalist approach promoted by the Republicans of the Progressive Era. We annexed this island so we're now responsible for it. If a foreign occupier who were as brutal as Imperial Japan landed on the shores of the Continental United States, we'd still be feeling the effects today just as Guam are.
     
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    HOw many people are we talking about here? 100, 1,000, 10,000?? tough to tell the economic impact.. but in true gov't fashion pass the bill on to our grandchildren, increase the debt, no one cares..
     
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    This from a guy who once quoted a Holocaust denial website to support a point he was making :rolleyes:
     
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    #24 Jersey

    I don't care if it's 1 person, Congress has no business spending our money this way.
     
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    This is absolute and utter BS. Here we are running massive deficits, we haven't seen a single admin cut government in our lifetime, only increase it, and these losers, while some discuss tax hikes, are handing out our money to some people somebody else invaded. It's ridiculous.
     
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    #24 Jersey

    The amazing part is that the majority of voters in BOTH parties oppose all this spending (not Patters but he's a fringe left wing nut) and, yet, the people we vote for continue to increase everything and cut nothing. I don't get it.

    A good start would be for each bill to be a single line item event - every vote would be for one thing and one thing only. That way spending on bullsh!t couldn't be hidden in some bill that's highly favored for it's main features.
     
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