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  1. PittPatriot

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    While much of the boards is calling for McFadden with our high draft pick, I feel the non-QB cornerstone of our franchise for the foreseeable future will be the Linebackers.
    The last time we drafted top notch LB with a 1st RD Pick was Andy Katzenmoyer. His tragic career which ended abruptly, began ironically with a draftpick we got from the Jets. I recall reports from his rookie training camp that he was finishing his endurance and speed runs with the RBs and WRs. He as strong, fast and hardworking. He would have learned under Ted Johnson and Ted Bruschi, possibly even prolonging their careers. He'd have been a great Mike in our system.
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    I don't like the idea of drafting a linebacker with a high pick unless he's a real stud. You can find vets in free agency or players in the 2nd/3rd round. Plus with Woods and Lua waiting in the wings we're not in as bad of shape as it seems right now.
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    One of the biggest myths re: the Pats over the last decade is that Katzenmoyer was a "bust." He was not. He was still somewhat raw, but had looked pretty good, then had to retire.
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    I agree. High first round linebackers are few and far between. There is too much talent in the lower rounds and on the FA market.

    High first round picks, IMO, are for skill positions - WR, RB, QB, CB.

    1st round DE/DL or LB or OL have to be AMAZING and EXCEPTIONAL! I am not sure there are any of those in this year's draft.
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    Agreed. I never thought of him as a bust.

    More to the point, a guy whose career was cut short. I remember having big-time hopes and expectations for him because I watched him at Ohio State and thought he was a truly exceptional player.

    In hindsight, Pete Carroll would not have been the guy to get him to the next level, but once Belichick came along, you might have been looking at another Vrabel or Bruschi type with Andy.

    No one will ever know.

    I still have a #59 Katzenmoyer jersey hanging next to my #47 Robert Edwards jersey.

    Kind of a closet tribute to Pats players who were on the way to greatness and had injury mow them down.
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    A Patrick Willis-type would be just fine.
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    Glenn Dorsey is going to be a beast. I wouldn't be completely shocked if the Patriots trade down a few spots and try to snatch him.
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    Well Willis is a stud. Laurinitis is a little high for #2 but he has a big upside as well if he comes out.
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    true; i agree and i still remember Big Cat (am i still right that we called him in that way ?)

    he could have been a very good player; i hope he is fine
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    Umm wasn't he a bust? Why wax poetic over a never was player?
    There are better Pats linebackers to talk about. For example, Ted Johnson was a very good MLB in our system. He was limited, but the man could tackle anything and anyone that got in his grasp.

    Trade down? It is expected that the Fins will take Dorsey #1 overall... Although the Fins have made some boneheaded moves in the draft so you never know for sure.
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    The Dolphins will likely take him at #1.
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    Seriously!? I would think they'd take Brohm or Ryan. They need a quarterback down there, badly. I guess he wouldn't last beyond the Jets or Rams.

    If he's still on the Board at #2, you think Belichick takes him?
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    I believe we should trade pick for a veteran LB and other picks. I had asked if anyone had wish list for other team's LBs
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    I think the Pats trade down as well. However, if they were ever going to take a running back that high, McFadden is that type of player. Runs hard, catches the ball, played QB in high school. He's a very versatile back, and the pats love versatility.
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    As delighted as I would be to see that happen, I oddly think that they're too smart for that. They obviously have no problem passing on the big name QBs and this year's QB draft is a little underwhelming anyways. Even if they're not too high on Beck, they've got monstrous holes everywhere, including DT. Might as well draft Dorsey, give Beck another year and look at Tebow next year or whoever else emerges.

    No.
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    Katzenmoyer should serve as a warning about taking Big 10 players. For every one that lives up to their potential, there's 20 more that underachieve. It's why you don't pick from one of the weakest, but overhyped, conferences in college football... linemen may be the only exception.
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    But if you traded down to the middle of the first and tried to snag either him or Connor....
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    You guys thought Katz was a good player? Are we talking about the same guy that briefly played LB for us?

    The Katz I remember was physically gifted and mentally worthless. Maybe he could have matured into a decent player if he ever learned the playbook. But what little I saw of the guy was enough to convince me he was clueless an assignment blown on almost every play that was not a straight ahead run between the tackles.
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    IIRC, he is back in his hometown coaching defense for his old high school team. IMO, it's very unfair to grade his pro career as anything but "Incomplete". BB can't get 8 yr vets to come into his LB corps and play at a high level in their first year, let alone rookie draftees.
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    Man,

    Wasn't Katz let go because of a vertebrae injury? man, you can't judge a guy as a bust because he had a serious injury. Every frikkin' player has to worry about that one weird injury that could force him to retire.

    Katzenmoyer was a good player, and might well have hit it big had he not been injured. Sometimes it's just the luck of the dice.....
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    We'd never spend a first on a DL. Once again, the expert speaks.:rolleyes:
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    Funny, I always thought teams preferred DL, OL, and LBs as high picks. They're usually considered safe. Their bust quotient is significantly lower than their "skill position" counterparts.

    By the way, could you tell me the last time a WR, RB, or CB was selected 1st overall?

    Just so you don't bother looking, the answer is 12 years ago... Keyshawn Johnson... a year before that, it was Ki-Jana Carter... then, before that, Bo Jackson in 1986. So let's see, in more than 20 years of drafting, disregarding QBs, Armen's "skill positions" have been picked a grand total of 3 times as the first overall pick. Johnson was a good player, never exceptional... Carter may have been good but was injured before he had a chance... Bo never even played for the team he was drafted by. Great record there.

    By the way... in 1986, while the Bucs were selecting Bo with the first pick, they could have had Leslie O'Neal, a Pro Bowl DE with the 8th pick, then took John Taylor in the 3rd. In 1995, instead of Ki-Jana Carter, the Bengals could have had Tony Boselli or Warren Sapp. Curtis Martin was selected in the 3rd round. Terrell Davis was selected in the 7th. In 1996, the Jets could've had Willie Anderson, Jon Ogden, or Simeon Rice... Terrell Owens was a 3rd round selection.
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    I think the Pats should look at Chris Long.....seems like the type of player that wants to be coached, and would be versatile in the 3-4.
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    safest 1st round bet is an OT (long?) since you get 12-15 years out of them...
    a RB is only gonna give you 7-10 years.
    DL also... dorsey will be our pick if he is there, i am convinced.
    if dorsey goes #1, we take mcfadden,

    or trade down... a move from #2 down to #10 (where we take connor) or so would net us a 1 next year, plus #10 in the 2nd, plus #10 in the 3rd.

    we need 2-4 DB's (gay, rodney, wilson, samuel) and 2 LB's (tedy, seau)

    of course, if we re-sign some guys (gay, wilson), that lessens the need... do any of you think that any one of rodney, tedy, and seau would stay after a perfect season? no way
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    i agree... and im sure they will... perfect bloodlines... perfect attitude... perfect 3-4 player... id guess he goes right around 3-7.
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    Drafting depends of who is available when your position comes up, not what you need. That is a philosophy that divides teams to this day. The Pats will definately target a guy they want or even a wish list, but when their position comes up they will likely draft the best guy on their board if they can't otherwise get the "guy" they wanted. So its not out of the realm of possibility that we will see a LB or even a RB drafted 1st if thats the way the cards fall in the draft.
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    When a rebuilding team has several QBs, it means they have NO QB, per John Madden. Draft one. Ryan # 1.
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    Taking one of those QB would be a reach (right now). It may changes, of course.
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    My drafting knowledge is novice at best...but why not send Cassel and the #2pick (hopefully) to Miami for the #1. Then couldn't we trade the #1 down to a team that will sell the house for it? Some fool like Ditka who is willing trade his entire draft board plus next year's #1, etc.
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