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    Great bit on this on Daily Show last night, so I did a quick Google search on it too. Yes, the Puritans fought a real War on Christmas:

    Puritan 'Grinches' Banned More Than Christmas. - Free Online Library

    Stores had to stay open.

    When we talk about keeping Congress in session on Christmas, we're talking about what the Founding Fathers did as the normal operating procedure.

    To the extent that the U.S. was supposed to be a "Christian nation" -- and it wasn't -- Christianity meant to them something very different from making sure we all say "Merry Christmas" instead of "Happy Holidays."

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    #18 Jersey

    Funny thing is, this "little tid-bit" has nada do with the United States of America. This was a law in the 1600's....

    From your link...

    "The answer isn't an override -- All that's needed is a little creative law enforcement. For a start, there's this little "blue" gem from the 17th- century:"

    Thankfully, we got much smarter once we became a nation. Nice try though.
     
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    Say what you will, but the puritans came from England to be able to worship freely without the constricts placed upon it by the government.

    Most of our founding fathers were Deists, and the Adams boyz were Universalists.. the last thing they all wanted was the intrusion of government and religious beliefs..

    Neither of these religions are based on the bible, nor are they based on what we now see as traditional christian beliefs.. the right wants you to believe otherwise, but the facts is the facts.
     
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    The Puritans did not participate in writing our constitution. What the Puritans wanted is largely irrelevant to the creation of our nation. That being said, we did adopt "Freedom of religion" and separation of church & state. But the laws that existed in Puritan times can not be used to make a statement about Christmas since we weren't even a nation at the time.

    As many point out here...heck, even slavery was legal at one time. Doesn't mean it was right.
     
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    Nice try at what, PR?

    The Stewart segment was particularly fun, because it opened w/Fox talking heads explaining how the Pilgrims came from England for religious liberty, and alleging that now we don't have the religious liberty they came here for.

    As for the interesting tidbit, it is exactly that. It's not meant to establish the founding laws of the U.S., since the U.S. is not, by government, a Christian nation (although the majority of Americans still identify as Christian.)

    "Nice try" at having something to add... but you appear to have confused volume of responses for quality of posting once again ;)

    Happy HOLLY days

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    The Pilgrims and later Puritans were complete, monstrous a-holes, IMO. Their example of "freedom" of anything was horrible- just ask a Massasoit Indian (Oh wait, you can't-they were all murdered by "The Godly"). Even the founders were full of sh!t (as we know) when it came to "Freedom"... Lucky for all or them hardly anyone could read at the time.
     
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    Why don't we see more Bolivians in TV Commercials?
     
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    So you missed the part that most of our founding fathers were involved in religions that were not bible based, Deism and Universalism..

    Washington, Madison, Paine and Franklin were deists.. Jeffferson, John and Quincy Adams were universalists..

    Ben Franklin's comments..

     
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    Stop it. When these people came here they just so happened to believe in everything I believe in right now....and we should keep everything that way.:rolleyes:
     
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    They didn't like stuff like football either... :(

    Work and pray, boy, that's all that matters, work and pray.

    That sort of thing.
     
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    #18 Jersey

    That's correct, but what does that have to do with laws/rules established by Puritans?

    If the OP wanted to use Washington, Madison, Paine and Franklin's beliefs as an example, shouldn't he have done so? How does one jump from the laws of Puritans to Ben Franklin & gang?
     
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    Commonly referred to as Pats Fans Logic..

    The resolution was that the folks who wrote the consitution supported the freedoms that the Pilgrims sought.. and their beliefs were not bible based, which is the theme of this thread.
     
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    Also keep in mind that the constitution was intentionally written so that it could evolve. So we've evolved to where we are now and I don't see that as good or bad.

    And for as many names of those you listed who were not religious, there were just as many who were. Just like today!
     
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    Except the ones I mentioned are commonly referred to as our founding fathers and the authors of the Constitution.. capiche????
     

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