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Released Memo of Bush-Blair 2003 Meeting: Deliberately Mislead the Public into War

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    Published by the BBC and other news, a 2003 memo reveals that months before the Iraq invasion and still no WMD were found yet, Bush and Blair plotted ways to manipulate Americans into the Iraqi invasion, including painting an American plane with United Nations colors and flying it into Iraq to be shot down, as well as producing a fake Iraqi 'defector' to confirm Saddam's WMDs:
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    "From private talks between George Bush and UK PM Tony Blair, the memo makes it clear the US was determined to go to war whether or not he had UN backing.

    The memo indicates both leaders acknowledged it was possible no unconventional weapons would be found in Iraq before the invasion, the New York Times says.

    The note cites Mr Bush suggesting three ways in which Iraq could be provoked into confrontation. The US "was thinking of flying U2 reconnaissance aircraft with fighter cover over Iraq, painted in UN colours", Mr Bush said. If Saddam fired on them, the Iraqis would be in breach of UN resolutions, he suggested. He also indicated the US "might be able to bring out a defector" to talk about Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction, and mentioned a proposal to assassinate the Iraqi leader."

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4849744.stm

    http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/politics/the white house memo/161410
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    Re: Released Memo of Bush-Blair 2003 Meeting: Deliberately Mislead the Public into Wa

    Well the Iraqi's had >6 months to move any materials out of the country while we screwed around at the UN with the French and Russians.

    General Sada claimed that the material was sent to Syria by aircraft, after a dam break in 2006. The ISG felt it was improbable that any WMD was moved, but said they dcouldn't rule this possibility. They did not speak to Sada to the best of my knowledge.

    UNMOVIC also reported to teh security councilo that WMD had been moved out of Iraq.

    http://www.netscape.com/viewstory/2...07/13/un_admits_saddam_had_wmd.php&frame=true
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    Re: Released Memo of Bush-Blair 2003 Meeting: Deliberately Mislead the Public into Wa

    patsfan13, regardless of conspiracy theories over what happened to the WMD (if they were ever there), the main issue is Bush and Blair plotted ways to bring this country to war by manufacturing alternative reasons in case the WMD reason wasn't enough. The point is, your beloved leader has been proven to go to lengths such as using lies, manipulation, and deception to accomplish his goals. You probably don't care though, as you choose to believe in Bush first and fit the rest of the facts of the world around that.
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    Re: Released Memo of Bush-Blair 2003 Meeting: Deliberately Mislead the Public into Wa

    We know they were there from the dead bodies of the Kurds who were gassed. The possibility of the WMD being moved ( rom multiple sources), make simplistic blanket condemnations of the motives of the administraion seem like conspricacy mania.
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    Re: Released Memo of Bush-Blair 2003 Meeting: Deliberately Mislead the Public into Wa

    yes, everyone is aware that bodies were gassed... YEARS before their shelf life would have waned to 2003 useless levels... no one is disputing Saddam had gas before the 91 Gulf War..... booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooring....

    if there was a modern program to develop WMDs, an inordinant amount of evidence would be left behind... you don't just pack up the plant and move it to the neighbor's... especially a neighbor that Saddam wasn't even speaking with at the time (Syria)....

    your attempts to deflect from yet another piece of unflattering evidence against your manipulative Boy King hero remain hollow...
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    Re: Released Memo of Bush-Blair 2003 Meeting: Deliberately Mislead the Public into Wa

    patsfan13, you seem to be deliberately changing the argument.

    Regardless of what happened to WMD, Bush and Blair talked about coming up with other fake reasons to go into Iraq, such as painting a US plane with UN colors and getting it shot down by Iraqi forces, as a pretext for war.

    Stop trying to bring the existence or non-existence of WMD into this discussion, it has nothing to do with that news article.
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    Re: Released Memo of Bush-Blair 2003 Meeting: Deliberately Mislead the Public into Wa

    Just asking has anyone published a PDF of the original or are these claims that can't be verified?
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    THe Kurds were gassed in the mid 90's pay attention if you want to comment.

    Well there were the translated Iraqi documents that spoke of their ongoing programs. A number have been published, but when the dems took control of congress the program was shut down.
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    Re: Released Memo of Bush-Blair 2003 Meeting: Deliberately Mislead the Public into Wa

    IF they were awqare that the WMD were being moved and they knew that the French and Russians and Kofi (all of whom were doing business and getting $$$ from Saddam) perhap sthey were trying to figure out how to play the PR game?
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    Re: Released Memo of Bush-Blair 2003 Meeting: Deliberately Mislead the Public into Wa

    I love the shelf life bit. As if anyone would take a dip in a 100 year old barrel of Antrax, or a 100 year old tub of VX.

    That they didn't find any stock piles of weapons was very surprising to me. None the less, they didn't. What's perplexing is the Iraqi position prior to the war. If he didn't have any, then why the shirades for so many years? The resolution in question clearly put the onus on Iraq for a reason, or two actually. Those reasons were to ensure that Saddam came clean, since he had a history of use, and also to ensure that aggression were more likely. Why? Becuase it was more about geo-political change than anything else. Regime change has always been the motive with Saddam since the 90's.
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    Re: Released Memo of Bush-Blair 2003 Meeting: Deliberately Mislead the Public into Wa

    It sounds like you would support cops who plant fake evidence to get a conviction then, since they must be so sure of their hunches?
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    Re: Released Memo of Bush-Blair 2003 Meeting: Deliberately Mislead the Public into Wa

    Quit makiing excuses for this administration telling LIES that kill people!

    they LIED!....it is documented.....they pounced on the fear we all had after 9-11. none of this war makes sense.

    the war on terror is a lie....it has done nothing but make terrorism a legitimate tactic, and its onbly successful in making the public afraid.
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    Re: Released Memo of Bush-Blair 2003 Meeting: Deliberately Mislead the Public into Wa

    If they were indeed planning to paint a plane with UN makrings, etc. then that's disturbing. My issue with the article, is that they claim to have seen this memo, but haven't provided it, why? Furthermore, if they were willing to paint a plane with UN markings, why not plant a couple of drums of VX? I'm not saying the memo doesn't exist, or that the accusations are not possible, I'm merely saying that they are what they are, accusations. I hate to say, but the BBC & the NYT have had their objectivity questioned. That goes for anyone obviously, but simply has to be taken into account. Again though, anything is possible.
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    Re: Released Memo of Bush-Blair 2003 Meeting: Deliberately Mislead the Public into Wa



    Outside of the Editorial page and the Jayson Blair incident, can you name one event that called into question the objectivity of the NYT reporting?




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    Maybe the gazzillion front page stories about Abu Gharaib. It was a story but they clearly had an agenda there.
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    Re: Released Memo of Bush-Blair 2003 Meeting: Deliberately Mislead the Public into Wa

    http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...thread.php?t=53289&highlight=Zalmay Khalilzad


    BBC admits: We are biased on religion and politics

    Internal corporation memo on ‘impartiality’ summit leaked to British media exposes truth on BBC bias

    Hagit Klaiman Published: 10.23.06, 16:10 / Israel News

    LONDON – The British Broadcasting Corporation has been struggling for several years against criticisms and claims of biased reporting concerning the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and distorted coverage of the global fight against terror.

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3318582,00.html
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    Re: Released Memo of Bush-Blair 2003 Meeting: Deliberately Mislead the Public into Wa

    The one in the recent NYT magazine where they reported rape allegations that supposedly happened in Iraq from a woman who was never there.
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    Re: Released Memo of Bush-Blair 2003 Meeting: Deliberately Mislead the Public into Wa

    yeah, and then there was that time Tom Brady threw a bad pass in the clutch... yeah, clearly he must suck... get a clue...

    curious, who's watching you do YOUR job and commenting on it, hmmm? perhaps not millions of people exaggerating your every mistake...

    the fact is the NYT is among the 2 or 3 finest newspapers in the world... a handful of bad reports, or fraudulent sources, doesn't approach the statosphere pile of A+ reports that agency has pumped out all over the globe...

    and, whoever that was back there, please don't embarrass yourself by suggesting Abu Gharib was a trumped up political agenda...
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    Re: Released Memo of Bush-Blair 2003 Meeting: Deliberately Mislead the Public into Wa


    How freakin' easy you forget!!! How about Franklin Roosevelt *knowing* the Japanese had targeted Pearl Harbor and the U.S. fleet MONTHS before the December 7, 1941 attack??!!

    How about the entire Iwo Jima/Surabachi flag raising photo-op?? That was a MASSIVE campaign of "deception" to rally the American people who were sick to death of WWII, the loss of life, the loss of materiel, the costs, the disruption of life, etc. , etc. (See: "Flags of Our Fathers" by Clint Eastwood, if you haven't already)

    America has been "played" many, many times in our history. Hell, the Boston Tea Party was a psy-ops game to get the British pissed out of their minds so they WOULD oppress Americans even more than they were doing; and it was a great ruse to get the Americans all fired up to take on the "dandy" Brits, with all their spit and polish.

    Your complaint here about Bush is clearly a political attack, another instance of the "politics of personal destruction" that Bill Clinton is always crying about. It's a fools game.

    The U.S. is in a war, whether you choose to accept it or not. It's a war we didn't start, but we had damned well finish it or there is going to be major hell to pay for generations to come, if not permanently.



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    Re: Released Memo of Bush-Blair 2003 Meeting: Deliberately Mislead the Public into Wa




    Sounds like you're describing Geo Bush's predicament to a "T". Ten million arm-chair "experts" who know so much more than he does, who can all do so much better a job than he has. The problem with freedom of speech is that so many people making total asses of themselves. Oh, well, life goes on.

    Yup, you're right. Don't embarrass yourself anymore. You've done an A++++ job of that here already.





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