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    Good for Ty...
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    Sometimes, being a responsible adult will create some conflict with football objectives. Can't fault him for finishing up his degree, and he's a veteran who knows how to prepare himself for training camp.
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    Agreed. Personally, I don't think the NFL does enough to get players ready for life after football; for all you might say about the Patriots, that's one thing they really do work hard on (and, in fact, they have gotten recognition from the league on this issue).
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    When he successfully completes his Degree the Pats should still honor his bonus.
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    No, he's making "his" choices. He reasonably could have waited until after his playing career and gone to finish his degree, instead he checked his bank balance and has decided doing it now works better for his family and the extra cash doesn't matter. I understand what you're trying to say in terms of respecting Warren for making a smart choice, but it sets a precedent for other players who will expect to be 'paid' to finish an education most of them received for free in return for playing football. The proper way for NE to handle this is to accept Ty's decision, hold him to his conditioning requirements, and as long as he meets those requirements, not penalize him for his decision beyond the cash he already elected to lose.
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    Get your as* to practice!
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    not really.....unless its in the contract......

    he's probably doing it with organization's 'blessing'.....which means they won't look negatively upon it........fair 'nuff
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    No way. Pioli used to talk about this. It's about what matters, and at this stage in his life that should be football. Particularly coming off a season where leadership and buying all in was challenged, this isn't a smart career move for Warren. The time to finish his degree is after his playing days are over.
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    Should have finished college years ago, on his own time, before entering the NFL.
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    well....he's doing it.......guess its up to the pats to treat it the way they deem necessary......

    what pioli says its about what matters to the pats........warren is obviously saying its what matters to warren

    guess if the pats don'e like it, they have their options......
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    I agree..... he should not get the bonus. The affairs he is pursuing are not Patriot related. Others could follow Warren as an example. Action is required. No Bonus. Good for him thou.


    He better not go ape **** when we don't give him that bonus.
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    he probably has 1 or 2 yrs left..... He took $$$ and went Pro.





    that is the norm.
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    warren took a below market deal to be here with the pats....he even signed for less after adalius thomas signed
    if the pats don't like it, they can pound sand
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    Totally agree. This is an employee choosing to cut back on his work hours to pursue a degree unrelated to his current job. He knows it will mean a dent in his current paycheck, but he's decided it's worth it for the long-term rewards. He has also calculated that as a hard-working 7-year employee of the company, he's proven himself enough to do this without hurting his job status.

    It's a very smart decision, IMO, but not one he'd expect his employer to pay him for.
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    He did not take a below market deal, he took an early deal which is always tied to a discount. He was signed through 2008 and he extended before the 2007 season with two full seasons remaining on his rookie deal. That was his choice. He could have waited for a FA market deal as Wilfork chose to, the team doesn't hold a gun to their heads, they just make the offer. Oddly they are routinely evicerated here for not doing that often enough, when in fact they quite often make the offers only to be rebuffed. But of course that is simply part of the damned if they do and damned if they don't mentality that permeates this board recently...He got $14M in bonus money and $18M guaranteed. His new deal averaged $7.4M per year in new money for the three years it added.
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    I understand and to some extent agree with this. I was merely making a suggestion and realize the business side of his agreement between him and the Patriots, but what I disagree is that this has to do with Ty being mature and gaining some leadership qualities as a person. Completing a degree is a worthy accomplishment that many employers will help pay for if not all of the coursework related to the job. While his degree probably has nothing to do with football, the Pats will ultimately benefit from Ty achieving this goal. I highly doubt that this will effect his ability to play football in 2010. All I'm merely saying is that this type off off-field stuff should be encouraged as well.
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    I guess it depends on your definition of market

    the bottom line is that I have no problem at all with what he is doing.
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    His eligibility expired at Texas A&M. He had no choice. The school was barred from extending his scholarship by rules. That being said, if you only get 3 years of credits, it shouldn't be that hard to make them up in the offseason, and he's had plenty of those. One thing though: the Patriots play late into the season, so there probably hasn't been much time.
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    Hopefully one of the classes he's taking is a finance class so he can learn the time value of money. Giving up $250K is ludicrous in exchange for getting his degree now. Especially given that it's "Agricultural Leadership". If he's managing a farming collective after his he retires I'll apologize for ever doubting him.

    In the moment it looks like a veteran who doesn't seem committed to the offseason...
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    I applaud Warren's commitment to higher education. However...

    -In his current job, his degree will not provide a positive impact on his performance. My assumption is that he will still work out and prepare for the season while taking courses.

    -He will be in his early/mid 30's when he retires. He will have plenty of time to complete his degree then.

    -Whatever money he received contractually (below market deal, etc.) is irrelevent to his/current situation.



    My .02$
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    You are correct ONLY if money is the most important thing in your life. He's giving up $250,000 to earn a degree that will allow him to work and make maybe $100,000 in 2011 IF there is a lockout.

    Money-wise, you are 100% correct. It doesn't make sense when your goal is to collect all the money you can.

    But Warren is one of the smart ones, who doe not value money over all else.

    For many, money is not the end-all way to keep score, but simply a means to get what you want. He went for an early extension at less money because he wanted to secure his future. Good for him. Now he is going after what he wants - the credits to be able to work with students next year - rather than chasing after every nickle he can get.

    I can understand exactly where he is, and I applaud him.
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    I applaud him 100%.
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    I just finished reading the comments at ESPN and then the posts in this thread. I have to say, I'm a little perturbed that so many people are upset at what Ty's doing. He wants to spend time with his kids and get more involved in his community. How are those bad things? Additionally, how do they impinge on his job when the workouts are voluntary? He's working out and keeping himself in shape, so I don't see this as a commitment issue at all.

    Some have mentioned that the degree itself is a flimsy excuse for an academic pursuit, and he should head in a different direction. I disagree. Agriculture is changing rapidly; people are finally understanding again how to use sustainable practices, and in a place like Texas, with its heat and lack of rain, knowing how to care for the land is incredibly valuable. Besides, this goes far beyond money.

    And to all the people who say he could do this in five years: 1) his children will be older then, and he wants to spend time with them and set a proper precedent while they're young. 2) He wants to get involved in his community, which takes time more than anything, and thus he has to begin working on this now, rather than later. 3) What if he has a freak accident and concussions hinder his ability to learn? It's a lot to risk, getting a degree later in life, especially when the average lifespan for a football player is drastically less than the rest of the population (by decades, by the way). To be crass, he's already middle-aged, and time is now working against him.

    4) The degree isn't just about the paper, it's also about the knowledge and information he gains from it. Perhaps he really finds agriculture fascinating, like I do, and wants to learn more about it and put that knowledge to use while planning for the future. It's possible he could miss out on opportunities in the next half decade because he lacks information. 5) He mentioned he wants to teach, eventually, which will probably require a master's degree. Why wait five years and then go through two degrees back to back, when you can get a jump on things now?

    Ty Warren, I salute you.
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    that's ok.....most of the people chiding him will be gone when the team stinks
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    Here, at least, the strong majority of people have applauded Warren for doing something smart for his long-term future. Whether the team should reward him for doing something smart for himself is another question.
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    Excellent post. I agree. And it's not like Texas A&M is just "any other university" for the degree he wants to pursue--it is only probably the highest-rated, most cutting edge university in the world when it comes to agricultural practices and food production technologies.
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    Um...because an orgznization has already invested tens of millions in you as a football player and team leader including pre paying you $14M up front on your 2007 extension that runs from 2009-2013? Ty is carrying the 5th highest cap hit on the team this season. He will be 4th once AD departs. He and Wilfork have pre season work to do in that locker room that goes beyond physical conditioning and showing up in shape. They are the championship battle tested veteran leaders of a young defense in transition. From those to whom much has been given, much is expected...and not just on the field.
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