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    Well, Smith ran for 1200 yards in 2001, Phifer was a very productive Coverage LB, right up until his retirement and David Patten came through in the Crunch in both the 01 and 03 playoffs. So I am not sure where you are going with this?

    Again you can always look back at the Skins signings over the past 8 or 9 years and look at all the shiney names on that list that didn't do anything but steal Snyder's money.:rolleyes:
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    I just alluded to this in another thread. All of these signings are 2003 and

    before. This is why I have been complaining about our signings the past

    two years. There is talent out there in free agency. The funny thing is

    that the players obtained 2000 to 2003 were made in years that we did

    not have much salary cap room.
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    Where you go with this is that these good free agents played a

    role in our winning three Super Bowls. The past two years have

    not measured up and we have not won any more Super Bowls.
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    Neither did 29 other teams.

    Last years signings didn't measure up because all of the primary guys got hurt. Especially the ST guys.

    One thing that is conveniently overlooked about the past two seasons is how things out of the Patriots control affected the overall perception of the offseason. In 05 Bruschi has a stroke and TJ retires a week before camp forcing the Pats to throw Beisel and Brown in as the two starting LB's. They offer Mason more money than any other team and his wife doesn't want to move to NE so he signs with Baltimore. Last year Branch pulls his BS after they let Givens walk. How was any of that supposed to be forseen by the Pats FO?

    And then the "Fans" and most of the media completely ignore the fact that the team has progressively gotten younger throughout the roster, pulled itself out of cap hell, dealt with an irrational amount of injuries and still managed to make the playoffs in 5 of the past 6 seasons, played in 4 AFCC games and won 3 superbowls. They have locked up both of their lines long term, Added a lot of depth to the DL, OL, RB, TE and DB. Have Nearly 30 mil in salary cap space and two first round draft picks.

    How does any of that warrant the constant criticism that they face from their own fan base?
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    You have to be kidding me. Smith was very good his first year. Phifer was border line great. He averaged about 100 tackles a year for the first few years here.
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    Well said!

    We do have some very spoiled fans. One stop or one first down and we were playing in the SB. And, we could have done it with the guys that we had, if they would have been healthy. And, I'm talking about Dillon and Faulk who didn't play the second half . I'm taking about Chad Scott and Hawk who had the flu. that lead to the useless Rashad Baker having to play prime time minutes.
    Where is the line between being spoiled and not knowing how to be loyal?:confused:
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    If Junior Seau would have been able to play the whole year he might have cracked this list.

    As for the worst signings... prepare to see our old buddy Duane Starks way up on that one, right next to Monty Beisel.
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    I was misquoted!

    Well not really, maybe I was a little harsh. What I meant was that names like Otis Smith, Antowain Smith, etc. don't exactly make you stand up and say "Wow!"

    Some threads have us signing Thomas, Clements, Stallworth, etc. This isn't going to happen, it is a lesson in expectation management. Despite the cap room I won't be surprised if the Patriots don't sign anyone until after the smoke has cleared.
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    :rolleyes:
    I don't know? But I do get annoyed when people talk about the past two offseasons as being unsuccessful because we didn't win the SB. How does that make sense? There are to many dynamics over the course of the season to lay all of the blame for not winning the SuperBowl solely on the offseason signings or lack there of.

    What would happen if we go out and sign Thomas, Clements, Foster, Fletcher, re-sign Graham and Samuels, draft a stud LB and Safety and yet we still don't win the SuperBowl because they all get put on the IR in TC? Does that mean that the biggest FA coup in the history of the NFL would represent a colossal failure? :rolleyes:
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    Well put mgc.

    The way I look at it, the Pats have pioneered the redefinition of the term "rebuilding," which deservedly has very negative connations. Rebuilding used to be what a team did after it went 3--13. Now, in the cap and free agency era, rebuilding is not so much an "all at once" phenomenon, but rather a process in which NFL teams have to be continually engaged if they are to be successful. Every good team will be continually rebuilding.

    In any given year, somewhere between two and six "important" players on any good team are going to have the opportunity to maximize their career earnings potential as FA's of one sort or another, an opportunity they would be fools if they did not pursue. Every five or so years, a "core" player like a Brady or a Seymour is going to have that opportunity. The big decisions are about properly identifying and keeping all of your core players and properly identifying and keeping a critical mass of the "important" players. Bet right in these decisions and you're going to keep on winning. Bet wrong and pay for the wrong guy(s) and you slide into salary cap limbo. The Patriots have done remarkably well over the past five years, though we all probably have disagreed here and there (I certainly did with letting Branch go and still think I was right, but I also disagreed with the Vinatieri decision and I turned out to be wrong.)

    To this extent, the much maligned Mr. Clayton is right. He said that the Patriots are "gambling" with their Roster. Yes, but. But, every team gambles with its roster decisions every year.

    That we won three sb's in five years and have gone to four of six AFCC's championship games is beyond great--it's phenomenal and says that the Patriots are doing something very right.

    I don't know whether we're going to win SB XLII, but I do know that if we keep doing what we're doing, we're going to win at least one or two more ("luck" and officials' calls will play a bigger role in determing the final number than I would care to admit) before we start talking about SB L.
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    :D that was funny. No, but they got the job done. I don't buy into the fact that the Pats are not willing to spend the money on the player(s) they want. They have put a lot of money on the table before (Givens, Branch, Mason, Law, Seymour, Brady to name a few), but a lot of times the players that do make you stand up and say wow are finished or close to it when other teams sign them. In other cases the teams spend foolishly on a few big name players while their roster as a whole suffers. Remember the June 1st cuts? The increase in the Salary cap limited that last year (I also think they re-worked some of the rules in the new CBA) and probably will to some degree this year, but it is only a matter of time (Next season?) before the majority of the teams in the league are back to cutting players they would like to keep just to get under the cap and/or sign their rookies.
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    Starks was a trade... sadly :bricks:
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    David Patten exceeded all expectations and was a reliable starter in 2001 and went on to have a tremendous 2004 season when Deion Branch got hurt.
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    hmmmm, let's assume these 'worst picks' have to at least see some field time.....

    Donald Hayes
    Monty Beisel
    Steve Martin
    Chad Brown
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    few additions...
    David Terrel
    Breakwind Moreland

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